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BR,
You would need to get the company line from AAV...give em a ring
But, as you say, the N3 can carry the NETS cot...and does NETS work, though normally addressing the critical element of transporting the NETS doctor and nurse to the hospital, to stabilise the baby, prior to transportation via NETS cot and NETS ambulance.
In my personal opinion, it is not so much the transport element (though obviously, time is a critical factor), as much as the specialist medical stabilization prior to transport. Once baby is in the cot, with the doctor and nurse in attendance....well thats another thing...
But AAV set the agenda...not VPAW or Helimed...we just do it!
Cheers...
You would need to get the company line from AAV...give em a ring
But, as you say, the N3 can carry the NETS cot...and does NETS work, though normally addressing the critical element of transporting the NETS doctor and nurse to the hospital, to stabilise the baby, prior to transportation via NETS cot and NETS ambulance.
In my personal opinion, it is not so much the transport element (though obviously, time is a critical factor), as much as the specialist medical stabilization prior to transport. Once baby is in the cot, with the doctor and nurse in attendance....well thats another thing...
But AAV set the agenda...not VPAW or Helimed...we just do it!
Cheers...
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Not sure this is quite correct??
VPAW... Yes initial phase is important... but cannot see reason behind road transporting a ventilated infant when (under the adult retrieval system) they would qualify for helicopter transportation???? We're dealing with the sickest of the sick infants (which are the only ones that qualify for a NETS helicopter response) and their outcome does also rely upon rapid transportation back to NICU in Melbourne. NETS tell me that unlike an adult or older child, infants deteriorate rapidly and their statistics indicate this is most likely to occur during transportation...
Again, not looking to do anything other than make the functions and distinctions between our operations clear for all to read and draw their own conclusions.
Cheers
BR
Again, not looking to do anything other than make the functions and distinctions between our operations clear for all to read and draw their own conclusions.
Cheers
BR
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Originally Posted by Brett Rankin
No... and there was no inaccurate claims made by the MP’s or the media!
Originally Posted by Brett Rankin
LifeFlight’s rates have always been higher or equal to commercial rates. No undercutting has ever taken place... GP contracts were originally won by matching the previous provider’s rate and have since climbed by an annual %... Retention of the contract has been due to the level of professional service provided (2 crew, EMS fit out, etc). You clearly don't know what you're purporting to have knowledge about
Again, I checked to make sure, hence the delay in my posting. Your first go at the Grand Prix was (almost) for nix, as the official Charity: or had you forgotten? Every year since you have quoted against at least one other operator, and have always been allocated the F1 job on price, and price alone. Not just a llittle bit cheaper, but $thousands. Much the same for the motor bikes at Phillip Island, from what I gather. And then there's the Superbikes, when it doesn't interfere with your firefighting.........
Antarctic Support to the French: they're laughing all the way to the bank, getting two aircraft for almost less than the cost of one from you, compared to previous operators! The past three years you have bid against your previous Ops Manager (who introduced you to the work), and have been more than $A1500 per day less than bare cost price of your nearest competitor, before a profit is factored in.
No undercutting? Higher or equal to commercial rates? I suppose so, but not local Melbourne commercial rates, that's for sure: which third world country are you comparing your rates to!
USAJC,
Your point is pertinent, but please understand that we are discussing a registered charity, that has substantial tax and other benefits that are meant to assist in its charitable functions. Not to give it an unfair advantage when taking commercial work away from operators who are entitled to a fair expectation of a level playing field.
If Life Flight were a charity only operation, not only would they have my full support, I would happily donate to assist them. I find it quite unpalatable that donations they have received are just as likely to have been used to underwrite their commercial operations, taking income away from pilots, engineers and operators in the commercial field, plus depressing the market rates for their "competition".
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Snake In The Grass!
Squeaks
The shadow minister for Health quite rightly requested a brief upon our situation (as did many other MP's from all sides of Parliment)... and as apart of my job, the honourable members received one! At no stage was this an active approach to discredit any operator..., which sadly cannot be said for your actions!
Your claims are baseless and absolute rubbish, which is enough for me to discount your comments entirety! I stand by my earlier statements BECAUSE THEY'RE TRUE AND CORRECT! You are clearly not across all of the facts....
Your claims relating to rates are also fancifull... do you honestly think any organisation wuold 'wave goodbye' to $1500 a day if it could have charged it!!!
The Australian Grand Prix Corporation awards their tender on more than price alone.... to think different is foolish and acusses them of being less than professional in ensuring the best avaialble safety for their staff and ticket holders... a rather bold statement dont you think!
Commercial operations are apart of LifeFlight's funding base... and I guess you'll continue to entertain with your ranting around this....
Your motives are not honourable! Nor are the people purportedly supplying you this misinformation (if indeed they are at all).
You were departed from our facility for a reason mate, and it was a bloody good one!!!!!
No doubt you'll try and purport not to be who you are, but you've said enough to identify yourself! Which of course you could always correct me if I'm wrong by coming out from behind the tree to which you through the stones?
The shadow minister for Health quite rightly requested a brief upon our situation (as did many other MP's from all sides of Parliment)... and as apart of my job, the honourable members received one! At no stage was this an active approach to discredit any operator..., which sadly cannot be said for your actions!
Your claims are baseless and absolute rubbish, which is enough for me to discount your comments entirety! I stand by my earlier statements BECAUSE THEY'RE TRUE AND CORRECT! You are clearly not across all of the facts....
Your claims relating to rates are also fancifull... do you honestly think any organisation wuold 'wave goodbye' to $1500 a day if it could have charged it!!!
The Australian Grand Prix Corporation awards their tender on more than price alone.... to think different is foolish and acusses them of being less than professional in ensuring the best avaialble safety for their staff and ticket holders... a rather bold statement dont you think!
Commercial operations are apart of LifeFlight's funding base... and I guess you'll continue to entertain with your ranting around this....
Your motives are not honourable! Nor are the people purportedly supplying you this misinformation (if indeed they are at all).
You were departed from our facility for a reason mate, and it was a bloody good one!!!!!
No doubt you'll try and purport not to be who you are, but you've said enough to identify yourself! Which of course you could always correct me if I'm wrong by coming out from behind the tree to which you through the stones?
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BR,
As I say...talk to AAV for the current/future protocols...
We certainly don't carry all the NETs gear (cot etc)...but we have certainly carried 2x NETs pers in the past. Having said that, we don't do a lot of it....
To reconfigure for the complete NETs package involves taking off a bit of gear, but this is not much of a big deal; most of our stuff is modular...
If one N3 is off for a protracted period on a job, the other N3 can be quickly configured as an identical machine, the 365 C can take over, or failing that, one of the Helimed 412s can redeploy to EN to take over the response role.
Cheers...
As I say...talk to AAV for the current/future protocols...
We certainly don't carry all the NETs gear (cot etc)...but we have certainly carried 2x NETs pers in the past. Having said that, we don't do a lot of it....
To reconfigure for the complete NETs package involves taking off a bit of gear, but this is not much of a big deal; most of our stuff is modular...
If one N3 is off for a protracted period on a job, the other N3 can be quickly configured as an identical machine, the 365 C can take over, or failing that, one of the Helimed 412s can redeploy to EN to take over the response role.
Cheers...
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Here we go again
I knew this would happen...Every time a Life Flight post starts to get a bit out of hand, I have to be brought into it....
I am not Squeaks, I am not Sling Load etc...
Too Cloudy and his owner has retired...I do not want to get into a slanging match with anyone Brett.....I have absolutely no desire to be involved as it is upsetting to my family who also read what is written here..
I have been slammed on this forum before and I have gone to great lengths not to poke my head up since...
Please leave me out of this...
My mobile number has not changed if you wish to call me....
Thank you,
JW
I am not Squeaks, I am not Sling Load etc...
Too Cloudy and his owner has retired...I do not want to get into a slanging match with anyone Brett.....I have absolutely no desire to be involved as it is upsetting to my family who also read what is written here..
I have been slammed on this forum before and I have gone to great lengths not to poke my head up since...
Please leave me out of this...
My mobile number has not changed if you wish to call me....
Thank you,
JW
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Only felt the need to post as I thought I was being referred to...I really am a sensitive person!!
"You were departed from our facility for a reason mate, and it was a bloody good one!!!!!"
Must be getting a bit sensitive as I approach 40...
If it wasn't me being referred to, then I (and Too Cloudy)am happy to fall back into retirement.
Only bit to add is that I have personally transported a NETS team to Korumburra in around 97/98 for a meningitis bub...Bub was about 4-6 months old..It was two in the team plus gear...The ambulance with the cot was sent and arrived not long after we departed...I also recall doing it a couple of times to Frankston...Never took the cot of course as the "C" model wasn't even close to fitting it in.
JW
"You were departed from our facility for a reason mate, and it was a bloody good one!!!!!"
Must be getting a bit sensitive as I approach 40...
If it wasn't me being referred to, then I (and Too Cloudy)am happy to fall back into retirement.
Only bit to add is that I have personally transported a NETS team to Korumburra in around 97/98 for a meningitis bub...Bub was about 4-6 months old..It was two in the team plus gear...The ambulance with the cot was sent and arrived not long after we departed...I also recall doing it a couple of times to Frankston...Never took the cot of course as the "C" model wasn't even close to fitting it in.
JW
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Originally Posted by Squeaks
If Life Flight were a charity only operation, not only would they have my full support, I would happily donate to assist them. I find it quite unpalatable that donations they have received are just as likely to have been used to underwrite their commercial operations, taking income away from pilots, engineers and operators in the commercial field, plus depressing the market rates for their "competition".
I've reposted this so that you may get to understand where I'm coming from. You haven't any idea who I am, I realise, but I have made absolutely sure that what I have posted is correct, and stand by it.
Life Flight per se is a stalwart and commendable concept: the manner in which it has operated, taking charitable donations from the public and from companies/organisations and using them to subsidise commercial operations concerns me. I believe that is is reprehensible, damaging to the industry, and morally wrong. I am 100% sure of my facts, and hope to encourage you to be more responsible in your operations.
I would also point out that you have contradicted yourself, and thus lend creadance to my assertions. In one post, you denied talking to MP's. Now, you blatantly state that yes, of course you briefed MP's: as I originally said!
Further, you claimed that:
LifeFlight’s rates have always been higher or equal to commercial rates. No undercutting has ever taken place... GP contracts were originally won by matching the previous provider’s rate and have since climbed by an annual %... Retention of the contract has been due to the level of professional service provided
The Australian Grand Prix Corporation awards their tender on more than price alone.... to think this is just plane foolish and acusses them of being less than professional in ensuring the best avaialble resources are provided to their staff and ticket holders... a rather bold statement dont you think!
As an aside, and bearing in mind this is a Rumour Network, I can only remark that I hope the latest rumour that has drifted up from Victoria is wrong: VPAW Pilot may be able to confirm that Mr Rankin has chosen to cause trouble for one of his competitors, by complaining to Force Command about one of the PAW pilots?
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Dyslexic?
Your question was:...
Read your question and read my answer again...
Really can’t see where your coming from other than RANTING about issues already discussed... and standing by anonymous and inaccurate claims hardly provides you any credibility.
Although welcome your suggested donation when we withdraw from the commercial work?
You’re trying a little to hard to suggest you're ‘up north’ to not be one of the players determined to see LifeFlight’s demise…
But happy to be proven wrong here.... all you have to do is "come out of the closet!" ...make your accusations without hiding behind a pseudonym and then we'll listen....
PS: ....evidence is an important element of a credible argument!
Originally Posted by Squeaks
didn't you "contact MP's and others" to further your aims, and in the course of which raise inaccurate comments against an approved local operator?
Really can’t see where your coming from other than RANTING about issues already discussed... and standing by anonymous and inaccurate claims hardly provides you any credibility.
Although welcome your suggested donation when we withdraw from the commercial work?
You’re trying a little to hard to suggest you're ‘up north’ to not be one of the players determined to see LifeFlight’s demise…
But happy to be proven wrong here.... all you have to do is "come out of the closet!" ...make your accusations without hiding behind a pseudonym and then we'll listen....
PS: ....evidence is an important element of a credible argument!
Brett,
I am a bit dissappointed you have chosen to ignore my last post. I am no longer throwing sticks. I was hoping for you to answer a few fundamental questions that would have made your situation a lot clearer to me and possibly others.
I can see you have been busy in the ring but I would like an answer.
You don't have to of course, but I would suggest that if you can come up with some credible answers to them than maybe you could alleviate a bit of pressure.
I am a bit dissappointed you have chosen to ignore my last post. I am no longer throwing sticks. I was hoping for you to answer a few fundamental questions that would have made your situation a lot clearer to me and possibly others.
I can see you have been busy in the ring but I would like an answer.
You don't have to of course, but I would suggest that if you can come up with some credible answers to them than maybe you could alleviate a bit of pressure.
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Originally Posted by Brett Rankin
Your question was:...
Read your question and read my answer again...
Read your question and read my answer again...
Originally Posted by Brett Rankin
evidence is an important element of a credible argument
