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By amazing intuition, and the fact that it is conveniently written on the side of the tailboom, I can tell you it is a Hiller 12E, which was operating for Plessey at the time. It was built in 1962 and de-registered by Nov 1967 - not sure if the last bit was written on the tailboom though.......
Hiller UH-12E Serial Number: 2193 G-ARXV,
Also registered as VR-BCA, 5N-AGG, G-ARXV, EP-HAJ, ZS-HCT.
A 12E on fixed floats must have been capable of what, a 35 Kt cruise!
Still great machines though.
Also registered as VR-BCA, 5N-AGG, G-ARXV, EP-HAJ, ZS-HCT.
A 12E on fixed floats must have been capable of what, a 35 Kt cruise!
Still great machines though.
something I,ve always wanted to ask about the Hiller 12e;does any know if Bell or Hiller copied each other in the design of the cockpit bubble although not the same they are similar or were the bubbles made by the same manufacturer,apologies if this has been asked before.
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Thank you chaps, even with my really good specs I can see the white marks that must be the name of Hillier, but the photo is so small that I could not make it out, however now that I have looked at the oversized picture that has been posted by me(i didnt have time to look as I posted it Mrs Vfr was shouting for me to go) I can see it, must have been as you say very slow with all that clutter underneath.
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How about this then...
If anyone fancies a recon'd one:
http://www.pulsehelicopters.co.uk/
They are affiliated with a company doing the same in the states too!
CRAN
http://www.pulsehelicopters.co.uk/
They are affiliated with a company doing the same in the states too!
CRAN
CRAN,
If 'you' are thinking of getting a Hiller from Pulse, tread very, very carefully:
AAIB Report from Nov '04.
Although I've got a feeling that Pulse aren't trading anymore. Can anyone confirm?
If 'you' are thinking of getting a Hiller from Pulse, tread very, very carefully:
AAIB Report from Nov '04.
Although I've got a feeling that Pulse aren't trading anymore. Can anyone confirm?
There a bit of a legendary machine the old 12E. Better performance than the 47, they were used a lot in New Zealand for Ag work, as well as chasing deer, until the 500 came along.
My first ride in a helicopter was in a Hiller 12E over Frankton Heights, Queenstown NZ. The pilot was my fathers cousin, Graeme Allen, who worked for Alpine Helicopters. I was 13. Along time ago now.
My first ride in a helicopter was in a Hiller 12E over Frankton Heights, Queenstown NZ. The pilot was my fathers cousin, Graeme Allen, who worked for Alpine Helicopters. I was 13. Along time ago now.
Big Mike,
Below about 6,500 feet you are correct but above that the 47G3B series (with Lycoming 435 and turbo) is far better. At 10,000 the 47G3B-1 and 2 had better performance than the 206A and equal to the 206B. The 47G-4 (Lycoming 540 same as the 12E) was the equivilant of the 12E except it had a quaint thing called hydrualics. Didn't you just love "poping the collective in the Hiller 12 to get the collective to stay in one place?
Both grand old helicopters that did a lot of work in the worst conditions.
Below about 6,500 feet you are correct but above that the 47G3B series (with Lycoming 435 and turbo) is far better. At 10,000 the 47G3B-1 and 2 had better performance than the 206A and equal to the 206B. The 47G-4 (Lycoming 540 same as the 12E) was the equivilant of the 12E except it had a quaint thing called hydrualics. Didn't you just love "poping the collective in the Hiller 12 to get the collective to stay in one place?
Both grand old helicopters that did a lot of work in the worst conditions.
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Generations of RN helicopter pilots owe their livelihoods to the trusty old Hiller. Me, I used to hate it, probably because I never really mastered it. Luckily for me I had one of those trips when everything went right on my Mid Course Check and was allowed to progress to the much more sedate and serious Whirlwind 7.
I would love to celebrate the attainment of the terminal age with a ride in a Hiller, just to teach it a lesson!
I would love to celebrate the attainment of the terminal age with a ride in a Hiller, just to teach it a lesson!
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One for snarlie, from 1963. (Mods - hope this is acceptable to post: Hiller's dealer Helicopter Sales is no more; their old premises is now the Egyptian Consulate)
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If any one is interested a book called vertical challenge records the complete history of Hiller Helicopters and is a fantastic story of Stanley Hiller Designing, Building and learning to fly and forming Hiller Helicopters.
They hold many records and are a great machine (Considering their age !!)
Regards
Duncan
PS I am not biased as such but do own one and fly it from Rochester in kent. UK
They hold many records and are a great machine (Considering their age !!)
Regards
Duncan
PS I am not biased as such but do own one and fly it from Rochester in kent. UK
I did my crop spray training in Hillers and Bell 47,s at Ag Rotors nr Gettysburg in 1981, any idea if they are still going ? Trained with Hank Whitfield who had 20,000 hrs of 47 !! In one day we took out a Hiller and tried to split the needles and main rotor rpm plummeted , got back , took their old wooden blade 47 and a piece came off one blade.....shook so bad you couldnt read the instruments !! Didnt fly any more that day............
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Not sure where the picture was taken but the fixed floats were fitted so that the aircraft could fly along the Thames and into Battersea. This is a Bristow machine. Bristow used to have a contract with Plessey. In the 1970s Plessey upgraded to a contracted Bell 206A model.
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Stanley Hiller
Helicopter innovator dies at 81
Aviator Stanley Hiller Jr. founded aircraft museum in San Carlos
By Todd R. Brown, STAFF WRITER
Stanley Hiller Jr., a pioneer in vertical flight and founder of the Hiller Aviation Museum, died Thursday of complications of Alzheimer's disease at his home in Atherton at age 81.
The Hiller Aviation Museum opened in 1998 at San Carlos Airport and features a variety of revolutionary aircraft.
"He was always just looking for something better and more interesting in the future," said Alan Waufle, CEO of Hiller Aviation Museum, Friday night. "Probably 'what if' was probably a good term for him — 'What if we did this? What if we tried that?'"
Hiller was born November 15, 1924, in San Francisco. As a boy, Hiller ran his own toy race car business. By age 18, the precocious son of an aviation pioneer from San Francisco was designing his own flying machines.
"He invented the helicopter as it is known today," said Stephen Hiller, Stanley Hiller's son, in a 2004 interview.
In 1944, Stanley Hiller Jr. designed and flew the XH-44 helicopter, the first to be built and piloted on the West Coast. With that success, Hiller founded United Helicopters in Palo Alto, which later became Hiller Aviation Company and moved to Menlo Park. In 1945, the Hiller 360 was the first helicopter to be certified by the FAA.
Hiller's fledgling company developed more than 20 helicopter models and produced more than 3,000 aircraft.
"The range of aircraft developed by the Hiller Company is absolutely astounding," Bob Erdman of the Society for Aviation History wrote in an 2004 story on Hiller.
The company's proposals included such concepts as a flying submarine, flying bridge and flying jeep for the armed forces.
Hiller's more down-to-earth ideas included the UH-4 helicopter with counter-rotating blades, which was intended as a commuter craft. Another innovation was the NC-5, a chopper that used "Rotormatic Control System" blades for unheard-of stability.
Hiller is survived by his wife of 49 years, Carolyn Hiller; sons, Jeffrey and Stephen Hiller; seven grandchildren.
Memorial services for Hiller will be held at 1:00 p.m., Friday, May 5, 2006, at the Hiller Aviation Museum, 601 Skyway Road in San Carlos.
In lieu of flowers, memorial funds have been established in his name for the Hiller Aviation Institute and Museum Educational Fund.
The next big event at the Hiller Aviation Museum is the annual "Vertical Challenge" air show from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. June 17. It will feature more than 50 helicopters on display and in action. The museum is open 10 a.m. to 5 p.m., seven days a week at 601 Skyward Road, San Carlos, just off Highway 101 at San Carlos Airport. For more information, call (650) 654-0200 or visit http://www.hiller.org.
Aviator Stanley Hiller Jr. founded aircraft museum in San Carlos
By Todd R. Brown, STAFF WRITER
Stanley Hiller Jr., a pioneer in vertical flight and founder of the Hiller Aviation Museum, died Thursday of complications of Alzheimer's disease at his home in Atherton at age 81.
The Hiller Aviation Museum opened in 1998 at San Carlos Airport and features a variety of revolutionary aircraft.
"He was always just looking for something better and more interesting in the future," said Alan Waufle, CEO of Hiller Aviation Museum, Friday night. "Probably 'what if' was probably a good term for him — 'What if we did this? What if we tried that?'"
Hiller was born November 15, 1924, in San Francisco. As a boy, Hiller ran his own toy race car business. By age 18, the precocious son of an aviation pioneer from San Francisco was designing his own flying machines.
"He invented the helicopter as it is known today," said Stephen Hiller, Stanley Hiller's son, in a 2004 interview.
In 1944, Stanley Hiller Jr. designed and flew the XH-44 helicopter, the first to be built and piloted on the West Coast. With that success, Hiller founded United Helicopters in Palo Alto, which later became Hiller Aviation Company and moved to Menlo Park. In 1945, the Hiller 360 was the first helicopter to be certified by the FAA.
Hiller's fledgling company developed more than 20 helicopter models and produced more than 3,000 aircraft.
"The range of aircraft developed by the Hiller Company is absolutely astounding," Bob Erdman of the Society for Aviation History wrote in an 2004 story on Hiller.
The company's proposals included such concepts as a flying submarine, flying bridge and flying jeep for the armed forces.
Hiller's more down-to-earth ideas included the UH-4 helicopter with counter-rotating blades, which was intended as a commuter craft. Another innovation was the NC-5, a chopper that used "Rotormatic Control System" blades for unheard-of stability.
Hiller is survived by his wife of 49 years, Carolyn Hiller; sons, Jeffrey and Stephen Hiller; seven grandchildren.
Memorial services for Hiller will be held at 1:00 p.m., Friday, May 5, 2006, at the Hiller Aviation Museum, 601 Skyway Road in San Carlos.
In lieu of flowers, memorial funds have been established in his name for the Hiller Aviation Institute and Museum Educational Fund.
The next big event at the Hiller Aviation Museum is the annual "Vertical Challenge" air show from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. June 17. It will feature more than 50 helicopters on display and in action. The museum is open 10 a.m. to 5 p.m., seven days a week at 601 Skyward Road, San Carlos, just off Highway 101 at San Carlos Airport. For more information, call (650) 654-0200 or visit http://www.hiller.org.
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My deepest sympathy for family and friends. He was a remarkable man. I'm still flying a Hiller 12 every day and admire Stanley Hiller for what he designed.
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