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Unlike New Zealand where the Hiller 12E was quite popular, Australia has never had many Hiller 12s or 1100 on register. I don't know about the current register though. I learnt to fly on the 12E and believe it was a lot better than the 12C which I never flew. Due to the lack of Hillers here, there wouldn't be too many pilots endorsed or current, so trying to earn money from one could be difficult. Some were used for crop spraying by a East Coast company but I've lost track of them.
Hope that helps a bit!
Hope that helps a bit!
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Thanks Nigel,
just out of interest, what is it about the 12E that you thought was better than the 12C, as I wouldn't necessarily be averse to buying one other than they tend to be a fair bit more money and have more time-lifed components.
just out of interest, what is it about the 12E that you thought was better than the 12C, as I wouldn't necessarily be averse to buying one other than they tend to be a fair bit more money and have more time-lifed components.
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As I said I haven't flown the 12 C, so all my info is second hand. The Navy replaced the 12C with the E in 1963 when I learnt to fly and did a huge 50 hours on them and naturally found it difficult. In cool climates and low altitudes, the 12E outperformed the Bell 47, hence they were used for sling work in New Zealand and crop spraying here. Why is it better than the C? I can't be more specific other than to say it is newer, any C must be at least 40 years old. Management Aviation ( Bond) used Hillers in Cambridge for spraying, so someone there may know more.
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I have never flown the 12E but I did my initial training in the 12C and I can say that having flown that the R-22, the Rotorway 162, and the 300C that the 162 and the 12C were the worst underpowered of the group. I have heard that the supercharger really helps the power though.
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There was a full article on the Hiller UH-12C in Pilot Magazine May 2002 p58. I think that will answer a few of your questions. If you haven't got one I could send you a copy of the relevant six pages.
The provider of the Hiller for the article was a chap called Warren Chmura of Southern Aircraft Consultancy, whose telephone number is 01763 786 032. He looks after Hillers on the US register. He might be the same chap you are referring to on your post.
The provider of the Hiller for the article was a chap called Warren Chmura of Southern Aircraft Consultancy, whose telephone number is 01763 786 032. He looks after Hillers on the US register. He might be the same chap you are referring to on your post.
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Hiller 12Es in OZ
The biggest user of the Hiller 12E in Oz used to be East Coast Helicopters based at Caloundra, just north of Brisbane in Queensland. We used them mainly for crop spraying & cattle mustering. Rather than buy one in UK and go to all the trouble of exporting to Oz, why not get in touch with Barry Costa ([email protected]) and get one already on the VH- register? I think Baz should also be able to arrange a full maintenance & overhaul schedule.
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Draco: Chmura's number was misprinted in Pilot. It is in fact 01736 786 032. I happen to know he's just sold the 12C that the article was about, but has others.
I'm not so sure about the unsupercharged 12C being the most underpowered machine in Christendom. I've flown it with three fat blokes in and it's well up to the task. Rattles like a bitch and you risk bird strikes up the chuff, but otherwise OK.
I'm not so sure about the unsupercharged 12C being the most underpowered machine in Christendom. I've flown it with three fat blokes in and it's well up to the task. Rattles like a bitch and you risk bird strikes up the chuff, but otherwise OK.
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Hiller 12C, D, E
Thanks guys for all the info, it's greatly appreciated.
Just a couple of things, if anyone knows these machines well enough, the 12C is supposed to suffer very badly from vibration which I think may have something to do with the wooden rotors, is the 12E equally rattly or not with metal blades? And also, there is no VSI or balance ball, DI etc with the 12C, is the instrumentation a little more comprehensive on the 12E?
Does anyone know of a site that has all the specs of all the UH models, I am assuming that the 12E has considerable performance advantages over the 12C, but would love to see the specs.
Just a couple of things, if anyone knows these machines well enough, the 12C is supposed to suffer very badly from vibration which I think may have something to do with the wooden rotors, is the 12E equally rattly or not with metal blades? And also, there is no VSI or balance ball, DI etc with the 12C, is the instrumentation a little more comprehensive on the 12E?
Does anyone know of a site that has all the specs of all the UH models, I am assuming that the 12E has considerable performance advantages over the 12C, but would love to see the specs.
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Hiller Uh12c
ANYONE GOT ANY INFO ON THESE MACHINES? OR DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A TRIAL FLIGHT I,M THINKING I MIGHT PURCHASE ONE BUT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GO FIRST.
MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE
DAVE
MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE
DAVE
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Hiller Uh12c
Check back issues of Pilot magazine. Good write up some time ago, also gave address of chap who had some for sale in Cornwall . I think the folks at Weston heli museum may know of him. Bug.
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From Russia With Love... [cue James Bond Theme]
Would Southern Aircraft Consultancy ring any bells for the people at Cornwall?
Pulse Helicopters operating out of Sywell Northants offering "360 UH 12 Series, Zero hours, remanufactured utility helicopter £79,995 +VAT fully certified ready to fly"
Possible contender for syndicate? Website claims £68/hr UK operating costs and only 2 time limited components (and has a favourable quote from Pilot Magazine tagged on the end):
Too good to be true? 
Although I do see "doors" are an optional extra, and a radio ...
Pulse Helicopters operating out of Sywell Northants offering "360 UH 12 Series, Zero hours, remanufactured utility helicopter £79,995 +VAT fully certified ready to fly"
Possible contender for syndicate? Website claims £68/hr UK operating costs and only 2 time limited components (and has a favourable quote from Pilot Magazine tagged on the end):
Since 1951,the UH12 has been used as a primary trainer by military services around the world.The Helicopter was extensively used in combat conditions throughout the Vietnam era.The UH12 continues to-day with an almost perfect training record.NTSB records show the UH12 Series Model has a significantly better safety record,particularly in the last ten years,than our nearest competitor.This record allows for lower insurance costs in to-days market place.
The Internationally proven,full 3 place UH12 is capable of tackling the most demanding tasks.With almost 700 pounds of USEFUL LOAD,the UH12 is one of the most versatile utility piston helicopters available to-day.
The UH12 has just two-limited life components,in the tail rotor assembly.This keeps ownership costs to a minimum.At the present time,operating costs, based on 50 hours flown per year,are just under $50 US Dollars per hour. (in the United States).The direct fuel cost differences in the UK,make this figure around £68 Pounds per hour.
Each Helicopter is painstakingly constructed by hand,with total emphasis to Detail.You can choose your own specification with regards to Exterior/Interior Colours and fabrics.A full Factory fitted options list is also available for you to Choose from.
“You’re going to be one of the most confident pilots in the rotary world, because the stability of the UH12 and it’s autorotational behaviour, are beyond compare. You can add to the upside the fact that it’s cheap as chips (by helicopter standards), goes on forever, could be flown with half-an-hours tuition by your maiden aunt, and provides the best picture window you’ll ever get on this world. If you need a personal runabout for social, domestic and pleasure, this is it.”
Pilot magazine. May 2002
The Internationally proven,full 3 place UH12 is capable of tackling the most demanding tasks.With almost 700 pounds of USEFUL LOAD,the UH12 is one of the most versatile utility piston helicopters available to-day.
The UH12 has just two-limited life components,in the tail rotor assembly.This keeps ownership costs to a minimum.At the present time,operating costs, based on 50 hours flown per year,are just under $50 US Dollars per hour. (in the United States).The direct fuel cost differences in the UK,make this figure around £68 Pounds per hour.
Each Helicopter is painstakingly constructed by hand,with total emphasis to Detail.You can choose your own specification with regards to Exterior/Interior Colours and fabrics.A full Factory fitted options list is also available for you to Choose from.
“You’re going to be one of the most confident pilots in the rotary world, because the stability of the UH12 and it’s autorotational behaviour, are beyond compare. You can add to the upside the fact that it’s cheap as chips (by helicopter standards), goes on forever, could be flown with half-an-hours tuition by your maiden aunt, and provides the best picture window you’ll ever get on this world. If you need a personal runabout for social, domestic and pleasure, this is it.”
Pilot magazine. May 2002
Although I do see "doors" are an optional extra, and a radio ...
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I did my first 50 hours in a Hiller 12E and bearing in mind I didn't know what to do, found it a great machine. For example there are no hydraulics or turbo chargers to go wrong. I'm told the E is better than the C, which I never flew.
Doesn't auto as well as the Bell 47, but then not too many helicopters do.
Doesn't auto as well as the Bell 47, but then not too many helicopters do.
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many thanks for your replies lads,
i know pulse and have been invited their in august, but im missing my flying since flightworks went bust and need to get back in the air so i was looking for somewhere to get a couple of hours in beforehand so i dont look like an eejit when i get to have a go!!!
i know pulse and have been invited their in august, but im missing my flying since flightworks went bust and need to get back in the air so i was looking for somewhere to get a couple of hours in beforehand so i dont look like an eejit when i get to have a go!!!
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Can you identify this Heli
This photo was taken by me ages ago at some Airfiled, cant remember where or when, and piccie just turned up so I thought I would post it on Rotorheads
ages since I ve done this hope it comes through
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ages since I ve done this hope it comes through
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