Pilot of Enstrom G-**NN - we felt for you!!!
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Pilot of Enstrom G-**NN - we felt for you!!!
Tuesday 4 April 1830local
Coventry Area
Running the gambit of trying to get across coventry atz, vmc, one airliner in distant pattern.
I managed - just, but poor old G-NN (Enstrom I think) was instructed to hold north, and hold, and hold, and hold......
Despite being visual with the world, he was still held clear, and where was the airliner? Yet to capture the ILS - far in the distance........
G-NN should be good at orbits by now.
To think that EGBC want an increased zone/atc - happy days
Even when you're outside of their atz, atc still want you to change heading/hold etc - airliner company need reprimanding if such low-level traffic is deemed a problem - Duty of Care blah blah, fare-paying passengers outside of cas blah blah.......
Pilot of G-NN - we felt for you because we knew it could so easily have been us!!!!
Coventry Area
Running the gambit of trying to get across coventry atz, vmc, one airliner in distant pattern.
I managed - just, but poor old G-NN (Enstrom I think) was instructed to hold north, and hold, and hold, and hold......
Despite being visual with the world, he was still held clear, and where was the airliner? Yet to capture the ILS - far in the distance........
G-NN should be good at orbits by now.
To think that EGBC want an increased zone/atc - happy days
Even when you're outside of their atz, atc still want you to change heading/hold etc - airliner company need reprimanding if such low-level traffic is deemed a problem - Duty of Care blah blah, fare-paying passengers outside of cas blah blah.......
Pilot of G-NN - we felt for you because we knew it could so easily have been us!!!!
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I think you might like to look here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219604
You were obviously mistaken, I have been assured that sort of thing just doesn't happen...
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219604
You were obviously mistaken, I have been assured that sort of thing just doesn't happen...
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Coventry had me on a "tour de Warwickshire" a couple of weeks ago because of landing traffic.
It's class G airspace, and just encourages people NOT to call them.
It's class G airspace, and just encourages people NOT to call them.
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Ah...the joys of dealing with Coventry! Helps to have an Aux fuel tank sometimes. Then if there are "two" aircraft in the area....get out the cards for a game of Canasta. But what the heck....considering the landing fee price...you ought to get solicitous handling.
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There's only one Enstrom on G-INFO ending NN and I bought it over four years ago.
I very much hope that it was nowhere near EGBC earlier in the week. I must admit that I've not actually seen the machine this week buit it "should be" 4,500 miles away from the UK!
I very much hope that it was nowhere near EGBC earlier in the week. I must admit that I've not actually seen the machine this week buit it "should be" 4,500 miles away from the UK!
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Sorry, egbc was the other week!
There's my sub-concious EG Birmingham Coventry rather than the obvious EGBE.
That link to the other post just rang more bells......
Concur with atc trying to vector glass G traffic...whatever next - you'll be charged for flying past a VOR next..............
There's my sub-concious EG Birmingham Coventry rather than the obvious EGBE.
That link to the other post just rang more bells......
Concur with atc trying to vector glass G traffic...whatever next - you'll be charged for flying past a VOR next..............
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Interesting post. Hadn't seen the link from ShyTorque before but on looking at it, Genghis's experience from Coventry virtually mirrored one of my own last year.
Flew in to park for a couple of hours for a local meeting, absolutely no help from ATC with parking, total confusion as to where I should shut down. Then on returning waited 15 minutes rotors running to try and get any response from Tower and try and depart, despite booking out properly etc. Eventually had to get forceful on the RT to get out of the bloody place. And no NOTAMs were in force or extraordinary activities in place. In over 20 years of flying I have never experienced such appallingly unprofessional, time wasting, customer uncaring treatment from an airport ATC. I thought it must have been a freak but clearly not.
With such an attitude (and/or hopelessly inadequate ATC resources) the recent proposal for its own CTZ/CTA fills me full of horror. Coventry - if you're listening you really do need to address what do not seem isolated experiences, and even then they should never have happened.
Flew in to park for a couple of hours for a local meeting, absolutely no help from ATC with parking, total confusion as to where I should shut down. Then on returning waited 15 minutes rotors running to try and get any response from Tower and try and depart, despite booking out properly etc. Eventually had to get forceful on the RT to get out of the bloody place. And no NOTAMs were in force or extraordinary activities in place. In over 20 years of flying I have never experienced such appallingly unprofessional, time wasting, customer uncaring treatment from an airport ATC. I thought it must have been a freak but clearly not.
With such an attitude (and/or hopelessly inadequate ATC resources) the recent proposal for its own CTZ/CTA fills me full of horror. Coventry - if you're listening you really do need to address what do not seem isolated experiences, and even then they should never have happened.
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From: Waterworld
EGBE
Know the feeling!!..I trained at Coventry.
The Thomson jets seem to always get priority even to the extent of being told to make orbits when the jet in question is still ten miles or more away
The Thomson jets seem to always get priority even to the extent of being told to make orbits when the jet in question is still ten miles or more away
