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Old 24th February 2006 | 08:29
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Truly an amazing day.... I fully agree with a posting from Nick!

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Old 24th February 2006 | 10:53
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Have to agree with Nick here.
But hey, turn on the heater, cabin warms up. Turn it off, cabin cools down. What more do you want?
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Old 24th February 2006 | 19:16
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Thank you Nick for your excellent answer. It was very well written.
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Old 25th February 2006 | 18:09
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36% is actually not too shabby on the scale of engine efficiencies - the best transport diesels run at 45%. What sort of pressure ratio does (say) an Allison 250 run at? I remember from the dim and distant past that each stage generates something like 1.2 Bar, and there are 10 stages. That gives 12 bar in the combustion chamber...

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Old 25th February 2006 | 18:24
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Sounds like a load of hot air to me...
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Old 25th February 2006 | 21:19
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so we have covered bleed air heating , how does bleed air cooling work ?
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Old 26th February 2006 | 04:00
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Graviman,
You are right, 36% is actually good, relative to what is possible. The 250 series has a single centrifugal compressor which looks like the pump in a washing machine or the blower in a vacuum cleaner- a conical shaped wheel that has spiral fins on it, so the air is swept up and spun into an ever decreasing space (since the fins get shorter and shorter as they get to the top.) The wheel spins so quickly that the air does not escape due to its own inertia. The 250 gets a 9:1 pressure increase in this one stage!



widgeon,
The bleed air cooler works just like a refrigerator or air conditioner. The working gas (air for us, freon for the AC) is squeezed and made hotter by that squeezing, then that hot pressurized gas is run through a cooler/heat exchanger while still pressurized. This is really like a car radiator. The fluid's heat is removed (and dumped outside) and then the gas is rapidly expanded so the cooling is appreciable. Often, a turbine (run by bleed air) inside the system is used to increase the pressure of the gas further, so the cooling is more efficient.
Here is a schematic of one such system:
http://www.tpub.com/ase2/73.htm

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Old 26th February 2006 | 08:48
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Originally Posted by Nick Lappos
The 250 gets a 9:1 pressure increase in this one stage!
And there was i naively thinking 4:1 was the highest a centrifugal stage could achieve - them heli engine boys is pretty smart.

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