Blackwater Helicopter Crash in Iraq
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Originally Posted by Dave_Jackson
SASless did not state that the pilot died. Dyncorp is recruiting CIVPOL (formerly the International Police Program) for Iraq. They do mention helicopter maintenance personnel, but not for Iraq.
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SASless didn't say the Dyncorps employee was a pilot.
According to Associated Press reports, 26 Dyncorps International employees have been killed in Iraq since the war began in 2003. Three died last week. “Dyncorp officials said they couldn't answer detailed questions about their operations because the company is about to go public.”
Dyncorps seems to be the third biggest single beneficiary of US government contracts in Iraq.
Halliburton is the biggest. There have been some adverse comments about the link between Halliburton and Vice-President Cheney. (Putting both names in Google produces some interesting reading.)
British companies account for nearly half of the dozen or so private firms in Iraq. The biggest British player is Global Risk International which allegedly supplies hired Gurkhas, Fijian paramilitaries and ex-SAS veterans.
There have been previous discussions about whether the loss of people who choose to go to war zones on contracts (whether pilots or non-pilots) does/should generate the same amount of sympathy as the loss of those who live there or are sent there as servicemen/women. The issue seems to generate strong views both ways, here and elsewhere.
If you are going to discuss it - please do so in a non-inflammatory way and with respect for other people’s opinions even if you disagree with them.
Heliport
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Ocatavo
No-one has said 'the death of a policeman is somehow less important than the death of a pilot'.
This is (predominantly) a professional pilots forum so surely it's understandable that the death of a pilot is likely to generate a differerent reaction from the death of a non-pilot? I've never read a police forum, but wouldn't be surprised if the death of a professional pilot generates little or no reaction there.
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The most recent article I came up with is in this link:
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/...n/13659446.htm
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/...n/13659446.htm
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I found this press release on Dyncorp's web site.
Irving, TX – January 9, 2006 – Two DynCorp International police liaison officers were among those killed when the U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter they were in crashed in Iraq on January 7.
Arsenio Domingo, 40, and Robert Timmann, 49, were returning from leave in the United States to their camps in the Mosul region when the crash occurred Saturday in northern Iraq, killing all 12 aboard.
Domingo, of North Charleston, SC, joined DI as an international police liaison officer in August. He had worked as a Charleston Police Department law enforcement officer since 1991, and was a veteran of the U.S. Army and Army Reserves. He is survived by his wife.
Timmann, of Tallahassee, FL, also became an international police liaison officer in August. Previously, he worked as a law enforcement officer in Florida until 1999, when he became an investigator for a private company. He is survived by his wife, a daughter, and a son.
The men were assigned to the Civilian Police Advisory Training Team (CPATT), the component of the U.S. military Multinational Security Transition Command – Iraq (MNSTC-I) responsible for the U.S.-led effort to train and equip the 135,000-member Iraqi police service. DynCorp International recruits, trains, equips and supports the 500-member U.S. contingent of trainers through a contract with the U.S. Department of State.
“We are deeply saddened by the deaths of these two fine officers, who were doing the vital work of training a new generation of professional police in Iraq,” said CEO Stephen J. Cannon.
DynCorp International is a professional services and project-management company serving governments, corporations, and international organizations worldwide. Headquartered in Irving, Texas, it has more than 14,000 employees in some 35 countries. It had revenues of nearly $2 billion in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2005.
Irving, TX – January 9, 2006 – Two DynCorp International police liaison officers were among those killed when the U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter they were in crashed in Iraq on January 7.
Arsenio Domingo, 40, and Robert Timmann, 49, were returning from leave in the United States to their camps in the Mosul region when the crash occurred Saturday in northern Iraq, killing all 12 aboard.
Domingo, of North Charleston, SC, joined DI as an international police liaison officer in August. He had worked as a Charleston Police Department law enforcement officer since 1991, and was a veteran of the U.S. Army and Army Reserves. He is survived by his wife.
Timmann, of Tallahassee, FL, also became an international police liaison officer in August. Previously, he worked as a law enforcement officer in Florida until 1999, when he became an investigator for a private company. He is survived by his wife, a daughter, and a son.
The men were assigned to the Civilian Police Advisory Training Team (CPATT), the component of the U.S. military Multinational Security Transition Command – Iraq (MNSTC-I) responsible for the U.S.-led effort to train and equip the 135,000-member Iraqi police service. DynCorp International recruits, trains, equips and supports the 500-member U.S. contingent of trainers through a contract with the U.S. Department of State.
“We are deeply saddened by the deaths of these two fine officers, who were doing the vital work of training a new generation of professional police in Iraq,” said CEO Stephen J. Cannon.
DynCorp International is a professional services and project-management company serving governments, corporations, and international organizations worldwide. Headquartered in Irving, Texas, it has more than 14,000 employees in some 35 countries. It had revenues of nearly $2 billion in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2005.
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Thank you both TG and S92Mech... I have a couple of friends that worked for both Dyncorp and Blackwater (operators) in Iraq. One is in Hawaii now the other in Afkanistan. The one in Hawaii lost two buddies, died in his arms he said.
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octavo,
The loss of any human life is unfortunate, irrespective of their profession, sex, race, religion or political bias.
As we know, hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent on the war in Iraq to save thousands of American lives, from terrorists.
What confuses me, is that the Iraqis never had any intention to kill Americans. As I see it, if those hundreds of billions of dollars were being spent on medical research there is a good likelihood that it would save millions of American lives, from cancer.
But what do I know. Perhaps the NeoCon's objective has nothing to do with protecting the lives of Mr. and Mrs. Average America.
Are you saying that the death of a policeman is somehow less important than the death of a pilot?
As we know, hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent on the war in Iraq to save thousands of American lives, from terrorists.
What confuses me, is that the Iraqis never had any intention to kill Americans. As I see it, if those hundreds of billions of dollars were being spent on medical research there is a good likelihood that it would save millions of American lives, from cancer.
But what do I know. Perhaps the NeoCon's objective has nothing to do with protecting the lives of Mr. and Mrs. Average America.
