Lama accident in dense fog
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From: Desert Rat
Re: Lama accident in dense fog
Referring on one of the previous posts on the difficulty on selling Lamas these days. Frankly, I think it still a good workhorse for the mountains. Crashing em to get rid of them on purpose does happen but in this case, and I agree with tecpilot, that dude had gethomeitis to get his heini kicked upon return.
Did he survive? Is there a weather minima policy in place? And on top of it, the already bruised image of being a helicopter pilot just adds to the list of well wishers at AustroControl and the Department of Transportation. Welcome to the stringent world of operating under JAR regulations.
Did he survive? Is there a weather minima policy in place? And on top of it, the already bruised image of being a helicopter pilot just adds to the list of well wishers at AustroControl and the Department of Transportation. Welcome to the stringent world of operating under JAR regulations.
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From: suffolk uk
Re: Lama accident in dense fog
I agree with SHortshaft, you never know the whole story and it may have been the better option. It can be done perfectly safely with two crew, the secret is to have the handling pilot facing into the slope so he never, ever looses reference. Trying to follow a moving tagret downhill will always be dangerous; pity no one taught the poor guy the proper technique!
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From: Switzerland
Re: Lama accident in dense fog
Uncle Ian I never thought of going downhill backwards. That would have been a lot better but was this legal in any case? Weather minima and low level flying? I don't know anything about the JAR's but I would assume it was not legal at all.
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From: suffolk uk
Re: Lama accident in dense fog
Hi Bitmonx, I've done it in a military context where the better option was definately to vacate the current location and low flying mandatory but I've also done it in civilian contexts where IMHO the (in UK) 500ft rule does not preclude flying at,say, 10ft over open country......question is how do you know that you are no closer than 500ft to any etc...... when viz is 150ft. I believe I've always been legal......but I would say that, wouldn't I?
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From: Europe
Re: Lama accident in dense fog
Uncontrolled airspace = clear of cloud and in sight of surface.
but have forgotten Aesir
the fully rule
"Clear of clouds and in sight of surface, Flight visibility may be reduced to 800 m for short periods during daylight, if the helicopter is manoeuvred at a speed that will give adequate opportunity to observe other traffic and any obstacles in time to avoid a collision"
Sorry, german ( and in this case also JAR) law!
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From: Iceland
Re: Lama accident in dense fog
Flight visibility may be reduced to 800 m for short periods during daylight
I doubt that he was operationg under JAR-OPS (Public transport) at the time?
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From: Germany
Re: Lama accident in dense fog
I believe this is a JAR-OPS 3 requirement.
I doubt that he was operationg under JAR-OPS (Public transport) at the time?
I doubt that he was operationg under JAR-OPS (Public transport) at the time?
"Clear of clouds and in sight of surface, Flight visibility may be reduced to 800 m for short periods during daylight, if the helicopter is manoeuvred at a speed that will give adequate opportunity to observe other traffic and any obstacles in time to avoid a collision"
Spunk
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From: Asia
Re: Lama accident in dense fog
Hi Spunk (and others),
Interesting post! I am guessing that as you can quote from the German regulations you have linguistic tendencies.
Perhaps you can let us know if there has been any preliminary report issued by the German authorities that might shed more light, correct or amplify, what has already been posted on this thread regarding this accident?
Does anyone know of the health of the pilot? I can only hope that regardless of our views as to his part in this tragedy we all wish him a speedy recovery!
SH
Interesting post! I am guessing that as you can quote from the German regulations you have linguistic tendencies.
Perhaps you can let us know if there has been any preliminary report issued by the German authorities that might shed more light, correct or amplify, what has already been posted on this thread regarding this accident?
Does anyone know of the health of the pilot? I can only hope that regardless of our views as to his part in this tragedy we all wish him a speedy recovery!
SH
t destroys a Lama helicopter.
