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Old 22nd June 2001 | 17:36
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Yesterday I did a favour, I took a R44 to pick up a FI and Student who had carried out a nav/ex and left their Heli to be serviced. Flying back to their base the student remarked that we were flying over hostile terrain, he was right, if things went pear shaped it would have been very hard to land and remain looking Pristine, top marks for the Student(who happened to be from Downunder ) however his next statement took me a little by supprise, he remarked that he had flown this way once before but because of low cloud he had never seen the tops of the Moors, he flew along the Valleys, and found it very dificult( width of valleys appox 3/500 yds depth appox 500/1500ft) to pick his way through, he said they had to turn around and go back, as he was a student he had with him a newish FI, I remarked to him that he should have had a little more oil in his lamp and the flight should not have continued anywhere near the Moorland area, his answer, " What the Hell it was exciting"

Am I wrong, or oldfashioned , or is this the attitude that is being allowed to exist in the minds of new young pilots when accompanied by a young instructor. With Moors at 1850ft AMSL and the cloud base covering the tops of this ground I say that is a no go area for any pilot unless he is fully trained in IMC conditions. Flying a Heli is exciting enough without putting your self and A/c into harms way, when and if this guy gets his ticket what could he then be capable of doing, what do you Ppruners out there think, could this be an isolated type of guy or are there more out there?
 
Old 22nd June 2001 | 19:32
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Well at least they turned around and went back eventually.

Difficult to say without having been there, but as described certainly wouldn't catch me anywhere near in those conditions. What the hell, you can always go another day...
 
Old 22nd June 2001 | 19:51
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Yes, I'm sure there are more out there, however it is a student attitude that has to be tweaked by the FI. I have to be really careful here in sofla, as the weather can change on me in a 5 minute span.

As a student, I took onboard the respect for weather/low VMC that my CFI's instilled in me, my own approach as having plank time prior to the add on makes me different however, the new student in helis (or planes for that matter) has to be given the respect for developing his own tolerances by the CFI / FI. due to my CFI's tutalege, I may have a conservative approach to low VMC, but I'm here to talk about it too.

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Old 22nd June 2001 | 20:03
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RW: You are dead right. I have been called over-cautious by some pilots/instructors but like you I'd rather be here to talk about it !!

One of my first instructors impressed on me the philosophy that the air will still be there another day. For most of us we don't have to fly, it's not life and death.
 
Old 23rd June 2001 | 13:46
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Being a student myself I'd like to make a comment.Being on a course with a variety of ages(23-42)you can definetly see the difference in attitude's to risk taking.Us older folks who have had alot of life experience(Being put in life threatning situations occasonly)have a greater respect for the conditions/A/C servicability where the younger guy's still like to push the envelope a little.I think after a few scares(That they live thru )might knock them back a peg.Have any of you guys seen this trend?
 
Old 23rd June 2001 | 14:18
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Yes!

A man is only issued with so many heartbeats.

As you get older you realise that many of your own are already used up.

Adrenaline increases heartrate and so must be avoided wherever possible.

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Sadly, I have known many better pilots than me perish, some of them through their own flawed decision making.

If in doubt, I now chicken out.

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Old 26th June 2001 | 10:29
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Better to be an old pilot than a bold pilot, don't see many old and bold pilots
 

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