Is this Legal?
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Is this Legal?
A friend of mine owns a company which has a B206, I have been asked if I would work for the company part time, in order to fly the Directors to variouse site meetings around the UK. Whilst this appeals very much to me, I am uncertain of the legality for I do not have a CPL, simple question, Is it legal?
Edited after posting , yes there would be other duties, and Job description would be Logistics only.
[This message has been edited by Vfrpilotpb (edited 03 May 2001).]
Edited after posting , yes there would be other duties, and Job description would be Logistics only.
[This message has been edited by Vfrpilotpb (edited 03 May 2001).]
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In the US, no, as you are being paid to do the flying. Though there are certain instances in which you could perform the operation a certain number of times without it being considered commercial ops.
Key point, are you being paid to fly it? Then I would believe it's not kosher.
If you perfrom other duties and are not being paid to perform the flights, not receiving comphensation for it, then I believe a private could suffice.
Of course, I have no idea of how the european rules apply, sorry.
My question, you don't have a CPL, but you have the type rating for the 206?
(US you need a type rating for anything turbine or over certain gross weight, a private here could get a type rating in a 206, but likely wouldn't spend the $$$ on it)
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Key point, are you being paid to fly it? Then I would believe it's not kosher.
If you perfrom other duties and are not being paid to perform the flights, not receiving comphensation for it, then I believe a private could suffice.
Of course, I have no idea of how the european rules apply, sorry.
My question, you don't have a CPL, but you have the type rating for the 206?
(US you need a type rating for anything turbine or over certain gross weight, a private here could get a type rating in a 206, but likely wouldn't spend the $$$ on it)
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Marc
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RW-1,
Might want to verify your source.
You need a type rating for any aircraft over 12,500lbs, or as the FAA specify.
There is no specific requirement, nor provision, for a type rating for turbine powered helicopters, individually, or as a category, under current FAA regulations (other than above).
Might want to verify your source.
You need a type rating for any aircraft over 12,500lbs, or as the FAA specify.
There is no specific requirement, nor provision, for a type rating for turbine powered helicopters, individually, or as a category, under current FAA regulations (other than above).
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As long as you are employed on the books of the company as a part time driver / cleaner / labourer and stick rigidly to the ANO with regard to Weather and rule 5, and as long as you fly company personnel around then you should be OK however, many people have been there before you, and very quickly you fall into the trap of the occasional flight falling under public transport rules at which point you are a very silly person
Is the ranger on N or G reg
Either way watch your back and dont tell all and his wife as jealous types will have it in for you.
Best of luck, and grab as many free hours as you can.
As long as you are employed on the books of the company as a part time driver / cleaner / labourer and stick rigidly to the ANO with regard to Weather and rule 5, and as long as you fly company personnel around then you should be OK however, many people have been there before you, and very quickly you fall into the trap of the occasional flight falling under public transport rules at which point you are a very silly person
Is the ranger on N or G reg
Either way watch your back and dont tell all and his wife as jealous types will have it in for you.
Best of luck, and grab as many free hours as you can.
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Good evening PPruners, well it is here in Blighty! thank you all for your comments,and also all the "E"s in answer to my question, I realise now, that what I am being asked to do, could/would be on the raggy edge of nearly compromising my status, being as I would not like to fall into any sort of compromising situation, I have suggested several other Cpl pilots, who would undertake this position, despite the lure of free flying, I will carry on as I am now, paying for it!!!, thank you all once again.
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Vfrpilotpb
Wise decision.
The simple answer to your (unedited) question was: No, it would not be legal.
The answer to your edited question was: Sounds too much like a fiddle which would be too obvious if something happened which caused the CAA or an insurance company to investigate.
Foxxy
You mention "jealous types". You might also pause to consider the professional pilots who have spent a great deal of time, and an enormous amount of money, training to obtain their professional licences. Don't you think they'd be entitled to feel more than a little resentful?
Wise decision.
The simple answer to your (unedited) question was: No, it would not be legal.
The answer to your edited question was: Sounds too much like a fiddle which would be too obvious if something happened which caused the CAA or an insurance company to investigate.
Foxxy
You mention "jealous types". You might also pause to consider the professional pilots who have spent a great deal of time, and an enormous amount of money, training to obtain their professional licences. Don't you think they'd be entitled to feel more than a little resentful?
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Certain members of the nobility have been employing "gardeners" to fly their helicopters with PPLs for years. This doesn't necessarily make it right, but I'm sure they would have spent a lot of money on legal advice otherwise they wouldn't do it.
Having said that, it's too much trouble to pick out the legal niceties at your stage of the game - you must be able to *prove* your passengers were employees/relatives of the owner, you didn't get paid, etc, etc. The part-time bit doesn't help, either, and makes it all a bit smokey. The aforementioned gardeners would have been supported by their employers, but would you?
cheers
Phil
Having said that, it's too much trouble to pick out the legal niceties at your stage of the game - you must be able to *prove* your passengers were employees/relatives of the owner, you didn't get paid, etc, etc. The part-time bit doesn't help, either, and makes it all a bit smokey. The aforementioned gardeners would have been supported by their employers, but would you?
cheers
Phil
