Superstitious ????
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re 'Starting both engines' some pilots have forgotten to do that rather annoyingly for them
perhaps a button that says "start both engines" would help?
"gross error check" is the best antidote to 'superstition'
[Crab no, to correct you (since your post has not equally been deleted, I think a reply to your typically erroneous post is in order) I was not editted because of what you say, I was deleted because I equated the definition of Superstition as 1. [b]a belief or notion, not based on reason
to the belief in an engineering solution that is also not based on reason, it is on topic.
if there is no credible evidence that an engineering solution works yet people belief in it, then it qualifies as Superstition which seems alive and well here..]
re 'Starting both engines' some pilots have forgotten to do that rather annoyingly for them
perhaps a button that says "start both engines" would help?
"gross error check" is the best antidote to 'superstition'
[Crab no, to correct you (since your post has not equally been deleted, I think a reply to your typically erroneous post is in order) I was not editted because of what you say, I was deleted because I equated the definition of Superstition as 1. [b]a belief or notion, not based on reason
to the belief in an engineering solution that is also not based on reason, it is on topic.
if there is no credible evidence that an engineering solution works yet people belief in it, then it qualifies as Superstition which seems alive and well here..]
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AnFi - this is what Senior Pilot has written on your edited post
Do try to inhabit the same solar system as the rest of us
can you validate that statement with some actual evidence?
Last edited by Senior Pilot; 23rd Aug 2016 at 09:14. Reason: twin engine nonsense removed: nothing to do with this thread
re 'Starting both engines' some pilots have forgotten to do that rather annoyingly for them
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Crab thanks for correcting yourself but leave out the rudenss please.
As for your views on the Mods Point of View regarding twin engined being other than superstition as defined, you are entitled to have your view but it appears I am not entitled to have mine. The theory supporting it has been discredited (10^-5 x 10^-5, really is nonsense!)
Crab ".... validate that statement with some actual evidence? "
sure
Two Regional Jet Pilots Forget to Start Second Engine - AirlineReporter : AirlineReporter
If you think that hasn't happened in a helicopter then you are unrealistic.
I have heard of at least one example in a helicopter and I should think that others on this forum will recall this mistake
(there is a fair chance that even you have briefly made that mistake too)
As for your views on the Mods Point of View regarding twin engined being other than superstition as defined, you are entitled to have your view but it appears I am not entitled to have mine. The theory supporting it has been discredited (10^-5 x 10^-5, really is nonsense!)
Crab ".... validate that statement with some actual evidence? "
sure
Two Regional Jet Pilots Forget to Start Second Engine - AirlineReporter : AirlineReporter
If you think that hasn't happened in a helicopter then you are unrealistic.
I have heard of at least one example in a helicopter and I should think that others on this forum will recall this mistake
(there is a fair chance that even you have briefly made that mistake too)
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This is your latest excuse for pushing the single is best line is it? If you don't have a second engine you can't forget to start it - dear oh dear.
The difference in a helo is you will discover the second one isn't running when either a. you do your checks properly or b. try to lift to the hover.
In the example you linked to they didn't get airborne but aborted the take off run.
And no, I haven't ever forgotten to start the second engine, even when I was teaching on both singles and twins on the same day.
You do need to get over yourself and move on from this pointless crusade.
Back to the superstitious thread - I always used to fly with lifejacket number 13 whenever it was available - many pilots wouldn't touch it.
The difference in a helo is you will discover the second one isn't running when either a. you do your checks properly or b. try to lift to the hover.
In the example you linked to they didn't get airborne but aborted the take off run.
And no, I haven't ever forgotten to start the second engine, even when I was teaching on both singles and twins on the same day.
You do need to get over yourself and move on from this pointless crusade.
Back to the superstitious thread - I always used to fly with lifejacket number 13 whenever it was available - many pilots wouldn't touch it.
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"I always used to fly with lifejacket number 13 whenever it was available" shows a healthy disregard for pointless superstition, (unless that IS a superstition?)
(you asked re engine starting, but it's just another example of the many ways one can screw up when there are more opportunities to do so)
(you asked re engine starting, but it's just another example of the many ways one can screw up when there are more opportunities to do so)
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If we're really lucky, ANFI might just shut up about his ridiculous campaign about the number of engines on aircraft. But no luck so far. Maybe we should have a whip round and buy him a twin rating.
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AnFI will quote some statistics that show the risk of one superstition failing is actually very low so there is absolutely no need for a second superstition at all.
He will then blame the superstition manufacturers for skewing the stats and making us use two superstitions when only one is needed to ensure safety
He will then blame the superstition manufacturers for skewing the stats and making us use two superstitions when only one is needed to ensure safety
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So we need TWO superstitions to be really safe?
That was before 9/11 and it is not funny any more.
