Jumping out of a Robinson?
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Jumping out of a Robinson?
Everyone's seen the movies with guys jumping out of Hueys from 6 ft up, but what happens to the balance of the aircraft when this happens - and what would happen if you tried it with something lightweight like an R22?
...and no, i'm not going to try it.
...and no, i'm not going to try it.
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It depends how many peoploe were in it to begin with, and how many of them jump out 
Errrr 212man....R-22....just how many could be in it...and jump out...and the thing keep flying? Shy of being Radio Controlled...the best possible way to fly an R-22 I would suggest...my guess would be "one" person....unless you could find two legless midgets willing to participate.
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As I recall it, the R22 skids are not stressed for anything to be carried on them, so technically, if a person stood on the skid you will be outside the Flight Manual parameters.
The lateral cg limits are very narrow - put a person on the skids and you will probably run out of cyclic. Get him to jump off, and the attitude change could cause a mast bump?
But nobody would criticise the decision to jump out of a Robbie, it is better than going flying in it.....
The lateral cg limits are very narrow - put a person on the skids and you will probably run out of cyclic. Get him to jump off, and the attitude change could cause a mast bump?
But nobody would criticise the decision to jump out of a Robbie, it is better than going flying in it.....
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This thread reminds me of a stunt that was pulled by a Gold Coast pilot in Oz for a promotion where a stunt man fell/jumped from the helo into the water. I can't remember the aircraft type although I think it may have been a R-44 or a Squirrel (other pruners will recall).
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Sassy, you disappointment me. I thought you were the exception that proved the rule and were an American who understood irony! 
I suspect that 212man knows that one has to be "legless" to consider jumping out of a Robbie (or was it "legless" to even get in one in the first place!)
When I did my first solo (in a Schweizer!), I did not compensate enough for the lack of my instructor's 2 hundredweight and shot up into the sky out of balance! If he'd jumped out while I was hovering (and he may have been tempted a few times)? Dread to think! Can you have Dynamic Rollover in the air?
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I suspect that 212man knows that one has to be "legless" to consider jumping out of a Robbie (or was it "legless" to even get in one in the first place!)When I did my first solo (in a Schweizer!), I did not compensate enough for the lack of my instructor's 2 hundredweight and shot up into the sky out of balance! If he'd jumped out while I was hovering (and he may have been tempted a few times)? Dread to think! Can you have Dynamic Rollover in the air?
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A while back there was a thread about a Kiwi pilot who crashed his R22 after his pax jumped out from it during a venison recovery.
Dumb idea! Don't try it! (and I'm glad you mentioned that you weren't going to try it anyway).
The aircraft on the Gold Coast in Aus was a R44. I think he got into a bit of hot water over that one.
Dumb idea! Don't try it! (and I'm glad you mentioned that you weren't going to try it anyway).
The aircraft on the Gold Coast in Aus was a R44. I think he got into a bit of hot water over that one.
The secret is to have the person "fall off" the skid rather than "jump". If they jump the sudden downward force from their feet on the skid followed by the sudden loss of weight as they depart the scene causes some interesting oscillations!
Done carefully(if this is possible!) it doesn't cause too many problems for the R22 or R44. In the R22 make sure the pilot is not too fat. It does however cause a few problems for the jumper if he misses the animal. One of my regrets in life is that I didn't have a camera rolling when some of these blokes launched - the most dangerous part of the entire operation is trying to gain height & keep your eye on the entertainment all while pissing yourself laughing!
Done carefully(if this is possible!) it doesn't cause too many problems for the R22 or R44. In the R22 make sure the pilot is not too fat. It does however cause a few problems for the jumper if he misses the animal. One of my regrets in life is that I didn't have a camera rolling when some of these blokes launched - the most dangerous part of the entire operation is trying to gain height & keep your eye on the entertainment all while pissing yourself laughing!
When I consider flying a Robbie....one cannot be too fat! I look at one of the things....and immediately order a Double CheeseBurger with Fries....large size and double up on the Softdrink!
That just works to ensure I am too fat to get into a Robbie and thus become immune to the threat of ever flying one. A few more years and JetRangers meet the same end I hope.
That just works to ensure I am too fat to get into a Robbie and thus become immune to the threat of ever flying one. A few more years and JetRangers meet the same end I hope.
Quite often drop 4 parachutists from a 500. They always stand on the skids. Yes it does oscilate a bit as they never jump from both sides at the same time. However it is not too bad, what is way more concerning is flying at 60 kts no doors having a conversation with a guy outside the heli and then feeling very alone at 10000ft when they all jump.
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lot of 22 bashing going on. There would be a lot less pilots out there if they hadn't been built....
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as i was told by close friends, a student would solo a 300 from the school he was attending, fly to an undisclosed location, pick up skydivers, take them to altitude and let them "jump" more of a roll actualy out of the aircraft for 300 bucks a jump.. what i have heard not what ive seen..
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I have pesonally jumped out of a R22 and heliduck is right, you don't actually jump of it you fall off it, and when you do miss then the pilot is generally pissing himself while the jumper is trying to fiqure out how many bones he has broken!!! You definatly can not be a fat bastard when you are up around 7-8000 ft doing this!!
Sasless is right in saying the ideal people would be midgets or dwarfs as they are small and light and you can fit two in the 22 at once!! they do roll alot faster though when they miss and find it rather hard to stop!! They are slightly disadvantaged if they do get on to a bigger animal though but generally they can climb on there backs and ride them like a horse!!
that would be laugh to watch!!!
Sasless is right in saying the ideal people would be midgets or dwarfs as they are small and light and you can fit two in the 22 at once!! they do roll alot faster though when they miss and find it rather hard to stop!! They are slightly disadvantaged if they do get on to a bigger animal though but generally they can climb on there backs and ride them like a horse!!
that would be laugh to watch!!!
I seem to recall many years ago there was an Enstrom 28 certified for parachuting.
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I had a parachutist jumping from an Enstrom for a TV commercial shoot. He had to do 3 jumps to get the required shots and angles.
He was able to repack his parachute and get back to the chopper faster than i could get the rotten thing restarted - hot engine restarts are not the Enstrom's forte.
Didn't enjoy the Enstrom, but at least the rotor system had a reasonable amount of control power to counter the rolling as he stepped off the skids.
He was able to repack his parachute and get back to the chopper faster than i could get the rotten thing restarted - hot engine restarts are not the Enstrom's forte.
Didn't enjoy the Enstrom, but at least the rotor system had a reasonable amount of control power to counter the rolling as he stepped off the skids.
Jumping out off a robbie would be a bit of a problem. The trick is to exit the machine as smoothly as possible. If the pilot is aware the pax is getting out it is not a problem.
ems 300 . When you said you were getting out at around 7- 8000 ft was that agl , because that would explain alot!
ems 300 . When you said you were getting out at around 7- 8000 ft was that agl , because that would explain alot!