Helicopter JAA Licences
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Helicopter JAA Licences
Anyone can tell me if with a belgian cpl ir heli i can work in the uk?
I think the answer is no ....but why?it works with the airplanes.......,??
I think the answer is no ....but why?it works with the airplanes.......,??
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ok what do i have to do i want a atpl but the belgian caa does not even have exams for an atpl heli.....,???do i have to do a uk caa atpl and do belgium recognise it?
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to fly76737:
if the caa in belgium can issue a jar/fcl license based upon your national cpl, then it shouldn't be a problem working in the uk. i don't think it matters which jaa country you do the atp theory, since you have to go somewhere else to get the exams.
note that a specific jaa country can deny you working there if that country doesn't recognize the jaa country the license was issued from. at least, that is what i've heard.
if the caa in belgium can issue a jar/fcl license based upon your national cpl, then it shouldn't be a problem working in the uk. i don't think it matters which jaa country you do the atp theory, since you have to go somewhere else to get the exams.
note that a specific jaa country can deny you working there if that country doesn't recognize the jaa country the license was issued from. at least, that is what i've heard.
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Yeah pretty silly set up.....I have a UK ATPL which has just expired and even though I am in current flying practice and have a current ATPL licence and 1st class medical I will have to "jump thruogh the hoops" to get it renewed....how does travelling from Oz to the UK to obtain a UK flight crew medical sound... cos it HAS to be done by the "Airship Pilots" at Kingsway !!!at phenominal cost for no real reason that I can determine.
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I was going to convert my Aus ATPL to British ATPL, man, they would only give me a PPL to start with, then exams to cpl plus flight test, then the full ATPL syllabus, I also had to send my original logbook to them to verify my application, well I wasn't about to send my logbooks, its the only record I have, the amount of crap I had to go through to convert was too cost prohibitive. Trouble is, when a UK ATPL comes here, they do one Air legislation exam and a medical then are issued a licence.
It seems the UK are the biggest ******s when it comes to aviation, my mate does his FAA medicals in Aus, no problem. Im not familiar with the JAA stuff, but its amazing how you guys can pay for it all. Good Luck
It seems the UK are the biggest ******s when it comes to aviation, my mate does his FAA medicals in Aus, no problem. Im not familiar with the JAA stuff, but its amazing how you guys can pay for it all. Good Luck
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The UK CAA knows which side it's breads buttered, you don't kill the golden goose they have a strangle hold on licencing and are not about to give it up. (A bit like the NSW police and speeding fines) They don't even recognise military flight training other than spending some time off the ground.
The Oz military is about as bad though previous experience, courses etc. count for squat if you come over, and you start the nif naf and trivia trail just to please some staff officer!!
It's all good old British bureaucracy at work, one established it exists only to justify and finance its own existance
(I'm grumpy late at night!!)
The UK CAA knows which side it's breads buttered, you don't kill the golden goose they have a strangle hold on licencing and are not about to give it up. (A bit like the NSW police and speeding fines) They don't even recognise military flight training other than spending some time off the ground.
The Oz military is about as bad though previous experience, courses etc. count for squat if you come over, and you start the nif naf and trivia trail just to please some staff officer!!
It's all good old British bureaucracy at work, one established it exists only to justify and finance its own existance
(I'm grumpy late at night!!)
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I think there should be one standard ICAO.
Should a pilot with an ICAO ATP wish to fly in an ICAO country he/she should only need write an air-regs exam. Lets be honest an ILS flown in Brisbane is the same as an ILS flown in London, Bangkok or Vancouver!
Should a pilot with an ICAO ATP wish to fly in an ICAO country he/she should only need write an air-regs exam. Lets be honest an ILS flown in Brisbane is the same as an ILS flown in London, Bangkok or Vancouver!
If you have any form of professional licence ( in a heli that is ) the CAA will give you an exemption.
There are currently FAA pofessional licence holders with UK PPL H flying aerial work in UK.
As well as Auz pilots flying N Sea with dispensation according to CAA head of licenceing
Speak to Ron Jenkins head of licencing at Gatwick 01293 573569
There are currently FAA pofessional licence holders with UK PPL H flying aerial work in UK.
As well as Auz pilots flying N Sea with dispensation according to CAA head of licenceing
Speak to Ron Jenkins head of licencing at Gatwick 01293 573569
Floppyjock , can't help you with who is hiring, just found out the info on licence when complaining to Gatwick on them issueing dipensations to fly loadlifting on a private UK pplh with FAA cplh. Ron Jenkins also told me they were giving dispensations for N Sea ops, try the big boys if you want to fly rigs.
Have a safe one
Have a safe one
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Floppyjock and All rotorheads
please please please stay away from the N Sea!!!!, for a while anyway?
We (Bristows/Scotia) are in the middle of negotiations at the moment and we are in a very strong position (high workload /pilot shortage) to secure a return to sensible professional salaries and although I have great sympathy for anyone out of work, I like many other pilots will not welcome you with open arms, as short term license exemptions are the only method of extending our struggle. Let me reasure you that once we have settled our negotiations and secured a long term wage stratagy all pilots from every work of life will be very very welcome.
Thanking all for your support
please please please stay away from the N Sea!!!!, for a while anyway?
We (Bristows/Scotia) are in the middle of negotiations at the moment and we are in a very strong position (high workload /pilot shortage) to secure a return to sensible professional salaries and although I have great sympathy for anyone out of work, I like many other pilots will not welcome you with open arms, as short term license exemptions are the only method of extending our struggle. Let me reasure you that once we have settled our negotiations and secured a long term wage stratagy all pilots from every work of life will be very very welcome.
Thanking all for your support
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I think MaxNg has a valid point, this is not the time to be trying to make a start on the North Sea.
A large proportion of the pilots are in a fairly militant mood and see this year as a one off opportunity to make up significant lost ground on salaries.
Every time we get into a strong position, about every ten years the operators go cap in hand to the CAA, well I think its only a cap, to distort the employment market. They manage to persuade the CAA to drop the requirements and allow validations on all sorts of licences for entry to the UK.
This is much resented by all the pilots of whatever nationality who have had to obtain the normal full requirements. The British government does a similar thing to medical staff.
It means in some cases that shortcomings in experience usually related to instrument flying becomes apparent at a later, more critical stage usually at 10 p.m. on a winter's night in bad weather. When Mr.Ron Jenkins and his chums from the CAA are in their armchairs watching TV.
The Training staff that do your conversions and the Line trainers are not going to break a leg to get you through because last time that happened about, three years ago, just after they had finished all that work some of them were shown the door!
Probably best to wait two or three months until the heat dies down!
A large proportion of the pilots are in a fairly militant mood and see this year as a one off opportunity to make up significant lost ground on salaries.
Every time we get into a strong position, about every ten years the operators go cap in hand to the CAA, well I think its only a cap, to distort the employment market. They manage to persuade the CAA to drop the requirements and allow validations on all sorts of licences for entry to the UK.
This is much resented by all the pilots of whatever nationality who have had to obtain the normal full requirements. The British government does a similar thing to medical staff.
It means in some cases that shortcomings in experience usually related to instrument flying becomes apparent at a later, more critical stage usually at 10 p.m. on a winter's night in bad weather. When Mr.Ron Jenkins and his chums from the CAA are in their armchairs watching TV.
The Training staff that do your conversions and the Line trainers are not going to break a leg to get you through because last time that happened about, three years ago, just after they had finished all that work some of them were shown the door!
Probably best to wait two or three months until the heat dies down!
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Flopyjock and all
If the N Sea operators don't pull there finger out soon you can have my job and I suspect many others too, as they will find that the exodus that has taken place over the last two years will pale into insignificance.
There is a big demand for experianced IR captains all over the world, so to reside in this cold remote Scottish outpost flying 750+ hrs my fellow aviators and I demand and expect a much better salary.
If the N Sea operators don't pull there finger out soon you can have my job and I suspect many others too, as they will find that the exodus that has taken place over the last two years will pale into insignificance.
There is a big demand for experianced IR captains all over the world, so to reside in this cold remote Scottish outpost flying 750+ hrs my fellow aviators and I demand and expect a much better salary.
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"If the N Sea operators don't pull there finger out soon you can have my job and I suspect many others too, as they will find that the exodus that has taken place over the last two years will pale into insignificance."
I suspect anyone with any get up and go has already got up and gone....
I suspect anyone with any get up and go has already got up and gone....
