Helicopter Landing Sites in London
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To give them their due they are selling it as a Helipad and not a Heliport. Differences on a postcard to.....
Pat, would you pay £875 to land in a muddy field next to the Thames after a lengthy hold whilst ATC land the rush hour at City, (I am assuming AlanM as you know about these things that the heliPAD will not be getting the priority!).
If the price was considerably cheaper in view of their facilities being offered then it may be looked at, but charging just a fraction under what Battersea charge and offering evenless than battersea (if possible) I think they are more hopeful than expectant.
Is it not about time City looked at getting helicopters in there? After all they have jets in and out ow which wasn't on the planning permission... Just a thought.
Pat, would you pay £875 to land in a muddy field next to the Thames after a lengthy hold whilst ATC land the rush hour at City, (I am assuming AlanM as you know about these things that the heliPAD will not be getting the priority!).
If the price was considerably cheaper in view of their facilities being offered then it may be looked at, but charging just a fraction under what Battersea charge and offering evenless than battersea (if possible) I think they are more hopeful than expectant.
Is it not about time City looked at getting helicopters in there? After all they have jets in and out ow which wasn't on the planning permission... Just a thought.
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Actually getting aircraft in and out low level in the daytime wouldn't be too much of a problem - from the Eastern zone boundary.... in the daylight (VFRvIFR - Traffic Info)
When SVFR (night/IMC) could be trickier - but not impossible as 7nm spacing is standard on runway 28 (unless no departure in the gaps then we use 3nm/vortex spacing)
As for priority...??
It clearly says in CAP493 (Manual of Air Traffic Services part one) that VFR and SVFR flights are not to hinder IFR flights.
we shall see......
When SVFR (night/IMC) could be trickier - but not impossible as 7nm spacing is standard on runway 28 (unless no departure in the gaps then we use 3nm/vortex spacing)
As for priority...??
It clearly says in CAP493 (Manual of Air Traffic Services part one) that VFR and SVFR flights are not to hinder IFR flights.
we shall see......
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London Landing Site
Folks,
am piloting a twin-engined machine regularly to London (Battersea Vangaurd Elstree), however my employer has purchased a large site within the London CTR near Morden on H7.
Do I require permission to land from the CAA? and/or other Authorities? other than Special Branch/Customs
thx
am piloting a twin-engined machine regularly to London (Battersea Vangaurd Elstree), however my employer has purchased a large site within the London CTR near Morden on H7.
Do I require permission to land from the CAA? and/or other Authorities? other than Special Branch/Customs
thx
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Presumably an exemption from Rule 5 (i) c, or whatever the EASA equivalent is, would be needed if the landing site lies in what could be described as a congested area.
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There's an extra clause in the April 2005 amendment to rule five that applies to landing off a Heliroute. It's in section (3) paragraph c.
(Link here)
So I think you'll have to talk to the CAA.
F.O.M.
PS Where's Vanguard?
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So I think you'll have to talk to the CAA.
F.O.M.
PS Where's Vanguard?
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Vanguard is a private site on the west edge of the IoD.
And agree - you will need CAA permission in writing for landing off the heliroute. You need GA dept unless you have an AOC.
And agree - you will need CAA permission in writing for landing off the heliroute. You need GA dept unless you have an AOC.
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Vanguard is a private site on the west edge of the IoD.
That would be a bit tight for a landing.
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As others have said, this hangs on whether your site is deemed a 'congested area'. If your site is defined as such then you need permission, if not then you don't.
Someone gave me a definition which I thought would be pretty arguable in court, namely that a congested area is anything in yellow on the 1/2 mill map. But recently a FIE(H) told me that the CAA argues that a golf course is a congested area ! Figure that if you can.
Best to get a ruling to be on the safe side - Call Bob Jones (AOC and PAOC operators) or Keith Thomas (Gen Aviation) on 01293 573528.
Someone gave me a definition which I thought would be pretty arguable in court, namely that a congested area is anything in yellow on the 1/2 mill map. But recently a FIE(H) told me that the CAA argues that a golf course is a congested area ! Figure that if you can.
Best to get a ruling to be on the safe side - Call Bob Jones (AOC and PAOC operators) or Keith Thomas (Gen Aviation) on 01293 573528.
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H7 is in Control Zone Central, (That bit East of the Denham - Brooklands Line - but West of BNN143-Battersea-Due South)
This means you will need to speak to LTCC Ops about this.
Otherwise, no probs ATC wise. You will probably be expected to phone in first when you want to come out though, unless you can raise 125.62 on the ground.
This means you will need to speak to LTCC Ops about this.
Otherwise, no probs ATC wise. You will probably be expected to phone in first when you want to come out though, unless you can raise 125.62 on the ground.
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LONDON LANDING SITES
There are 3 parts to this:
1. London, under the Heli Routes, is a congested area and you will need CAA permission against Rule 5(2)(c) (the 1000 ft rule) to land unless you are using a licenced or government airfield.
2. You are not allowed to land off the heli routes, except at a licenced or government airfield, without CAA permission (Rule 5(3)(c)(ii).
3. If your site is in the Specified Area then you need CAA permission against the Air Navigation (Restriction of Flying) (Specified Area) Regulations 2005.
It looks as though you may need permission on all 3 counts.
Fortunately all are dealt with by the General Aviation Dept in the Belgrano.
1. London, under the Heli Routes, is a congested area and you will need CAA permission against Rule 5(2)(c) (the 1000 ft rule) to land unless you are using a licenced or government airfield.
2. You are not allowed to land off the heli routes, except at a licenced or government airfield, without CAA permission (Rule 5(3)(c)(ii).
3. If your site is in the Specified Area then you need CAA permission against the Air Navigation (Restriction of Flying) (Specified Area) Regulations 2005.
It looks as though you may need permission on all 3 counts.
Fortunately all are dealt with by the General Aviation Dept in the Belgrano.
Congested Area
From memory, I think the term Congested Area is defined in the ANO; I believe it reads something like 'Any part of a town or settlement used for Resdidential, Industrial or Recreational purposes@.
J
J
The ICAO and JAR-OPS definition is:
hence the comment about the golf course.
Jim
Congested area. In relation to a city, town or settlement, any area which is substantially used for residential, commercial or recreational purposes.
Jim