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....and it sounds as if you can rustle up enough support from others to back you up!
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You will be doing the whole community a favour by going to the CAA with this.
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having just read this thread, well done guy's it seems that the correct, action will be taken, at last !
I can understand the "grass" concern, however, coming from a Police background, "grassing" is actively encouraged, should you witness, a "wrong doing " and do nothing, your deemed as guilty as the offender, and this is in, an environment, where lives are not normally at risk. Inform the CAA asap, before a life is risked.
I can understand the "grass" concern, however, coming from a Police background, "grassing" is actively encouraged, should you witness, a "wrong doing " and do nothing, your deemed as guilty as the offender, and this is in, an environment, where lives are not normally at risk. Inform the CAA asap, before a life is risked.
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Having just read the thread also.
Its a small industry, we all know that, and things, names and actions are quickly put about. However there are times when it (the industry) needs to be made aware of things that are wrong otherwise lives are on the line.
There were a couple of posts earlier re: confidential reporting systems such as CHIRP, you can approach SRG or FOI confidentially with this kind of thing - if its serious enough and they take on board what has been said, the enforcement team will get to know about it quite quickly.
Its a small industry, we all know that, and things, names and actions are quickly put about. However there are times when it (the industry) needs to be made aware of things that are wrong otherwise lives are on the line.
There were a couple of posts earlier re: confidential reporting systems such as CHIRP, you can approach SRG or FOI confidentially with this kind of thing - if its serious enough and they take on board what has been said, the enforcement team will get to know about it quite quickly.
I have also just read this thread and I am very disappointed in the attitude of some of the posters - LQ wanted information and advice and he/she got a series of personal attacks and abuse.
Finally the concensus seems to be the LQ is kosher and should report the school concerned - this could have been sorted on page 1.
This forum has a great reputation for providing newcomers to the helo world with good gen and sound advice - why not keep it that way.
Finally the concensus seems to be the LQ is kosher and should report the school concerned - this could have been sorted on page 1.
This forum has a great reputation for providing newcomers to the helo world with good gen and sound advice - why not keep it that way.
LQ
You are doing the right thing here. I run a school, hopefully to the best of my ability. It does worry me what others teach or in some cases do not when I get to examine other schools students.
No one in the industry should look upon you badly other than those who should not be in our industry. The quicker the 2nd hand car salesmen leave our industry the better.
Good luck with your flying, incidentently flying in 2 km is ok providing you know at what point to put it down and get a taxi - please do not be lulled into get home itis.
You are doing the right thing here. I run a school, hopefully to the best of my ability. It does worry me what others teach or in some cases do not when I get to examine other schools students.
No one in the industry should look upon you badly other than those who should not be in our industry. The quicker the 2nd hand car salesmen leave our industry the better.
Good luck with your flying, incidentently flying in 2 km is ok providing you know at what point to put it down and get a taxi - please do not be lulled into get home itis.
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I'm sure the school in question will be identified in time but it would be good to have a 'heads up' on this one.
Looking for school to hour build, CPL and FI with, so would be nice to know.
I'm sure the school in question will be identified in time but it would be good to have a 'heads up' on this one.
Looking for school to hour build, CPL and FI with, so would be nice to know.
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I think in the circumstances, given libel laws, that LQ (or others) do not feel in a position to identify the school or instructor and you cannot blame them for that until allegations are proved.
However, if you feel happy with the school where you received your PPL, can't they help?
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However, if you feel happy with the school where you received your PPL, can't they help?
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£50,000 for a conscience?
LQ,
You should take the resposible view,nomatter what your qualifications. As Crab pointed out, you asked for advice and are getting some flack. If you feel it is grave enough to ask PPRuNe about it then it sould be playing on your mind enough to challenge the legalities. (Where is Tudor when you need him
)
Report it to the CAA and don't fly there no more.
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MD
You should take the resposible view,nomatter what your qualifications. As Crab pointed out, you asked for advice and are getting some flack. If you feel it is grave enough to ask PPRuNe about it then it sould be playing on your mind enough to challenge the legalities. (Where is Tudor when you need him
)Report it to the CAA and don't fly there no more.
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Has it occured to you that he may even be doing the right thing while you are castigating him?
Read his last posting:-
I would assume that he wont be giving us a blow by blow account, but I am sure that he has taken heed of the better advice that has been given on this thread.
As for naming the club on this site - I think Flying Lawyer might have something to say on that subject.
Has it occured to you that he may even be doing the right thing while you are castigating him?
Read his last posting:-
What I have decided to do is to report the facts as i know them to be to the CAA and what they decide can or cannot be proven is then up to them.
As for naming the club on this site - I think Flying Lawyer might have something to say on that subject.
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Castigate is a little harsh in this circumstance dont you think? I hardley berated LQ over his conscience, just putting my opinion accross (Hopefully in an objective manner)
It is up to LQ what he does in this situation and i am sure he is keeping alot of this close to his chest for annonimity reasons. I agree with his decision to go tothe CAA. But lets focus on the steak and not the peas here.
LQ
Good luck with your dilema.
MD
Castigate is a little harsh in this circumstance dont you think? I hardley berated LQ over his conscience, just putting my opinion accross (Hopefully in an objective manner)
It is up to LQ what he does in this situation and i am sure he is keeping alot of this close to his chest for annonimity reasons. I agree with his decision to go tothe CAA. But lets focus on the steak and not the peas here.
LQ
Good luck with your dilema.
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Maybe so, but why the heading
I think that LQ has had more than enough harsh comment, alongside some very helpful stuff. He wants to do our fraternity a real favour by reporting some very sub-standard practises in the hope that it will utlimately prevent some less than capable "pilots" being released into the skies with the rest of us. At the same time as getting appropriate action takan against one of the many "sharks" out there.
If the CAA does follow this one up, is there anybody else out there who will back up LQ's concerns? I certainly hope so.
If anybody is willing and able to help, please PM me!
Maybe so, but why the heading
£50,000 for a conscience?
If the CAA does follow this one up, is there anybody else out there who will back up LQ's concerns? I certainly hope so.
If anybody is willing and able to help, please PM me!
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CAA personnel read Rotorheads - some even contribute to discussions - so the chances of this thread coming to the attention of the CAA are very high.
In addition, I am reliably informed off-forum that at least two formal reports have been made to the CAA this week.
All credit to LQ71 for raising his concerns here and thanks to those who've offered helpful advice. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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In addition, I am reliably informed off-forum that at least two formal reports have been made to the CAA this week.
All credit to LQ71 for raising his concerns here and thanks to those who've offered helpful advice. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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I could have just left the subject box empty. But i didnt. So i wrote what i wrote. It isnt a criticism,just an observation that LQ has waited till now to voice his concerns,and do something about it. Which is commendable and takes alot of guts.
But also if there is going to be a post mortem on my subject heading i may like to point out to other pilots that they do not have to wait until they have spent £50,000 to realise that if something unlawful is going on or bad practices are being employed, that it is ok to speak out and voice their opinions. Places like PPRuNe are good for this,as there is a wealth of experience here to find out right from wrong.
So with all due respect, stop jumping down my throat!!
LQ
I am right behind you. Good luck.
MD
I could have just left the subject box empty. But i didnt. So i wrote what i wrote. It isnt a criticism,just an observation that LQ has waited till now to voice his concerns,and do something about it. Which is commendable and takes alot of guts.
But also if there is going to be a post mortem on my subject heading i may like to point out to other pilots that they do not have to wait until they have spent £50,000 to realise that if something unlawful is going on or bad practices are being employed, that it is ok to speak out and voice their opinions. Places like PPRuNe are good for this,as there is a wealth of experience here to find out right from wrong.
So with all due respect, stop jumping down my throat!!
LQ
I am right behind you. Good luck.
MD