Police Heli Visit UK
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Police Heli Visit UK
Today I have had the privilage of taking up an offer to visit an actual working Police Heli Unit , it was brilliant, not what I expected, the staff were very friendly( cups of tea) and totally tuned in to what they are about, whislt I still have my views on the equal funding that I feel should be given to the Hems (UK) Helicopters, I can now see that the idea that these chaps fly out to anything is not right. It would be wrong to name the crew, it is enough to say, A Very big thank you for all your time and trouble explaining things to me, I am impressed.
My Regards for the future, and safe landings!
Peter R-B
My Regards for the future, and safe landings!
Peter R-B
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Well done, mate! Thanks for taking up my suggestion. We can all learn from each other, in aviation, as elsewhere, in this funny old world. Glad you enjoyed your visit. Sure you would find an equally warm welcome from any of the police air support units: they are generally quite happy to explain to fellow aviators how they operate.
Well done, mate! Thanks for taking up my suggestion. We can all learn from each other, in aviation, as elsewhere, in this funny old world. Glad you enjoyed your visit. Sure you would find an equally warm welcome from any of the police air support units: they are generally quite happy to explain to fellow aviators how they operate.
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UNFORTUNATELY THEY ARE NOT ALL AS FREINDLY DONT TRY WEST YORKS AT CARRGATE.
I RANG TO GO ROUND AND SEE THEM THEY SAID OK ,AS IT HAPPENS I WAS ALSO WANTING TO INFORM THEM AS I HAD BOUGHT A PROPERTY UNDERNEATH WHERE THEY USUALLY DESEND, AND FOR SAFTY REASONS I THOUGHT THEY SHOULD KNOW
WELL WHEN I GOT THERE THEY SAID IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS GO AWAY .I HAVE NEVER BEEN TREATED SO BAD BY ANYBODY ELSE IN THE HELI INDUSTRY NORMALLY EVERONE IS SO FRIENDLY BUT SADLY NOT WEST YORKS. SO FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS I JUST KEEP MY DISTANCE ALONG WITH MOST OTHER HELI PILOTS IN THE AREA.
I RANG TO GO ROUND AND SEE THEM THEY SAID OK ,AS IT HAPPENS I WAS ALSO WANTING TO INFORM THEM AS I HAD BOUGHT A PROPERTY UNDERNEATH WHERE THEY USUALLY DESEND, AND FOR SAFTY REASONS I THOUGHT THEY SHOULD KNOW
WELL WHEN I GOT THERE THEY SAID IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS GO AWAY .I HAVE NEVER BEEN TREATED SO BAD BY ANYBODY ELSE IN THE HELI INDUSTRY NORMALLY EVERONE IS SO FRIENDLY BUT SADLY NOT WEST YORKS. SO FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS I JUST KEEP MY DISTANCE ALONG WITH MOST OTHER HELI PILOTS IN THE AREA.
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That's a shame about Cargate - I would have liked to visit and see their new NOTAR. I wrote recently to the Police Authority about a possible visit to Cargate but didn't get a reply - a funny way to go about getting support. As a normal working class bloke that just about manages to afford to fly R22 I get sick of these elitist attitudes. You'd think they would welcome fellow helo pilots but obviously we are just an irritant!
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Rotor Nut: The civilian helo pilot on any police unit would be happy to talk to you. No elitism there. But remember these are Police units not flying clubs full of aviators. At any police air support unit at any time there is only one aviator on duty (who is in effect the civilian driver) . The rest are coppers doing their job, and why should they talk to you?
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The Police should talk to the public after all we pay them - what's your problem here ?
It is very very sad if the attitude these days is for the Police not to speak to the public.
Perhaps I live in a different world - no funny comments please. All I can say is Devon and Cornwall boys are excellent
Have a safe one
The Police should talk to the public after all we pay them - what's your problem here ?
It is very very sad if the attitude these days is for the Police not to speak to the public.
Perhaps I live in a different world - no funny comments please. All I can say is Devon and Cornwall boys are excellent
Have a safe one
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I would say that the item about W.Yorks if it is true, is very much the exception. I've been in the business for over 6 years and have found 99% in the Police Aviation business in UK to be very open to visitors, both pilots and policemen. We welcome people and have numerous visits from all types although we try and discourage potential customers of ours.
Maybe you caught W.Yorks at a bad time, they probably have loads of requests from all and sundry to see their new aircraft.
Maybe you caught W.Yorks at a bad time, they probably have loads of requests from all and sundry to see their new aircraft.
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I had a trip last year round Wilts and it was extremely friendly and very interesting. I was most impressed. I am sure most of the others are equally amenable if asked at the right time and in the right way.
By the way, is the local Police guy who keeps coming in overhead to take a close look at my landing site on this forum? If he is, please do come in for a cuppa!
My site location details are at http://www.foxfield.demon.co.uk
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By the way, is the local Police guy who keeps coming in overhead to take a close look at my landing site on this forum? If he is, please do come in for a cuppa!
My site location details are at http://www.foxfield.demon.co.uk
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Sad to hear about Steve Atherton's reception at the local Police unit, but is there anyone from West Yorks who reads this forum who could give their side of the story?
Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but Police Air Support Units get a lot of complainants calling at the door, particularly from ones who move into the area and then complain about the operation.
Notwithstanding however, if the circumstances are as stated West Yorks should have taken the time to be more civil to the locals, it pays in the long run.
Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but Police Air Support Units get a lot of complainants calling at the door, particularly from ones who move into the area and then complain about the operation.
Notwithstanding however, if the circumstances are as stated West Yorks should have taken the time to be more civil to the locals, it pays in the long run.
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Interestingly enough, today I have just received a reply from the West Yorkshire Police Authority re my request for a visit to Carr Gate. They have invited me to contact Carr Gate and arrange a visit. Excellent news - I'll get in touch and hopefully I'll be able to take back what I said earlier. I'll keep you all posted....
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As a serving pilot with the West Yorks ASU I view with horror the attitude of some of the replies. I have been with the unit since Oct 93 and have NEVER known of this type of rebuff during any visit.
Steve A, I remember you from the AAC and think that you were an OK guy, but, if your message is right, your run-in was SEVEN years ago??? Pardon me for saying, but that realy is taking the bat and ball home!! I applaud your concern for safety and can assure you that we have to conform to perf A standards at all times, if you have a gripe about the approach path we use mail me and we can sort something out! You state that "Most other heli pilots have kept their distance". Do you know this as a fact? more fool them if they have, because we would be more than willing to greet them, please don't presume to speak for other pilots - they can do it themselves. Rotor Nut - well done with the letter to the police authority, things do move slowly sometimes - again mail me and we can talk.You are not an irritant and we are not elitist, just professionals trying to do a job. Marco thanks for being positive, we are very busy all the time, bookings for visits and talks are running into the back end of 2002!!!! we cater for visits every day of the week if need be. Contact the visits coordinator at carr gate for some dates etc, or mail me. I can honestly say that we pay the most attention to the rate - paying public Zardoz, but unfortunately there are a few people around who seem to think that our mission in life is to disturb them ( until they get burgled ). To finish I ask that anyone wishing to talk about police heli work ( any part ) mail me and we can talk like adults with a pint or two!! Nuff said.
Steve A, I remember you from the AAC and think that you were an OK guy, but, if your message is right, your run-in was SEVEN years ago??? Pardon me for saying, but that realy is taking the bat and ball home!! I applaud your concern for safety and can assure you that we have to conform to perf A standards at all times, if you have a gripe about the approach path we use mail me and we can sort something out! You state that "Most other heli pilots have kept their distance". Do you know this as a fact? more fool them if they have, because we would be more than willing to greet them, please don't presume to speak for other pilots - they can do it themselves. Rotor Nut - well done with the letter to the police authority, things do move slowly sometimes - again mail me and we can talk.You are not an irritant and we are not elitist, just professionals trying to do a job. Marco thanks for being positive, we are very busy all the time, bookings for visits and talks are running into the back end of 2002!!!! we cater for visits every day of the week if need be. Contact the visits coordinator at carr gate for some dates etc, or mail me. I can honestly say that we pay the most attention to the rate - paying public Zardoz, but unfortunately there are a few people around who seem to think that our mission in life is to disturb them ( until they get burgled ). To finish I ask that anyone wishing to talk about police heli work ( any part ) mail me and we can talk like adults with a pint or two!! Nuff said.
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Mighty Gem,
Yes that's me, had to ask for continuance of two years at the end of my 22 due to lack of available work - they sent me back to dear old detters until I received the offer of work from PAS bless them!! I was out of there like a rat up a drain pipe I can tell you!!! regards IanB.
Yes that's me, had to ask for continuance of two years at the end of my 22 due to lack of available work - they sent me back to dear old detters until I received the offer of work from PAS bless them!! I was out of there like a rat up a drain pipe I can tell you!!! regards IanB.
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ASU's will almost certainly welcome visitors with open arms. But bear in mind that you need to phone in advance.
Please also bear in mind that personalities differ.... some people on my unit don't like visitors. They are a minority, but if you happen to phone on a day when they're there you'll get the wrong impression.
That said... 90% of us are always happy to meet people, give the full guided tour & swap stories over a cup of coffee.
I assure you that the pilots are not elitist. We are after all just pilots, earning a living doing what we love.
If you want a visit phone your local ASU...
Please also bear in mind that personalities differ.... some people on my unit don't like visitors. They are a minority, but if you happen to phone on a day when they're there you'll get the wrong impression.
That said... 90% of us are always happy to meet people, give the full guided tour & swap stories over a cup of coffee.
I assure you that the pilots are not elitist. We are after all just pilots, earning a living doing what we love.
If you want a visit phone your local ASU...