Helicopter rescues dominate news of "Katrina"
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Just watching the news and it said that the Coast Guard have rescued over +++ 7000 +++ people with their helicopters.
To all the Coasties in the GOM fantastic work and keep it up.
However just watched something that really pissed me off. Rev Jesse Jackson getting his mug on TV and saying that race is a factor in the rescue efforts. What a bloody insult to all of those busting their backsides to rescue people. The NAACP get on TV saying that if it was all white people in New Orleans then they would have been rescued. Give me a break. Talk about trying to gain every political advantage you can from a disaster.
What they fail to point out is that EVERY image of a looter on TV is a Black American. The people they have arrested for shooting at the Police in New Orleans are Black Americans.
What a crock of ****e these bloody politicians are talking.
To those helo crews out there picking up everyone, black, white, asian, whatever, you are doing an awesome job. Dont let these assholes and their comments affect the great work you are doing.
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To all the Coasties in the GOM fantastic work and keep it up.
However just watched something that really pissed me off. Rev Jesse Jackson getting his mug on TV and saying that race is a factor in the rescue efforts. What a bloody insult to all of those busting their backsides to rescue people. The NAACP get on TV saying that if it was all white people in New Orleans then they would have been rescued. Give me a break. Talk about trying to gain every political advantage you can from a disaster.
What they fail to point out is that EVERY image of a looter on TV is a Black American. The people they have arrested for shooting at the Police in New Orleans are Black Americans.
What a crock of ****e these bloody politicians are talking.
To those helo crews out there picking up everyone, black, white, asian, whatever, you are doing an awesome job. Dont let these assholes and their comments affect the great work you are doing.
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I only have a few minutes before I have to get some sleep and I thought some of you may want to know what is really going on in the helicopter world in the disaster zone.
The truth is, amidst the utter chaos, the helicopter pilots are performing admirably.
Over the past 4 days there has been almost no air traffic control, more of a traffic advisory service from any of the airfields that still has a working radio, and a "check-in" system with the P3s who are also doing an incredible job.
There are casualties in abundance, this is the SAR equivalent of a target-rich environment, as soon as a rescue is complete and the victims delivered to safety, no time for tea and hand-shaking, these guys are straight back in the air and onto the next op.
I am very impressed with all the helicopter, aeroplane and air traffic agencies involved. They all just keep going, no tempers flaring, no excitement when the fuel runs out at a field when you are next in line, no snappy comments on the radio, just professional workmanship in a very trying environment.
I have never seen such devastation, misery and confusion.
The truth is, amidst the utter chaos, the helicopter pilots are performing admirably.
Over the past 4 days there has been almost no air traffic control, more of a traffic advisory service from any of the airfields that still has a working radio, and a "check-in" system with the P3s who are also doing an incredible job.
There are casualties in abundance, this is the SAR equivalent of a target-rich environment, as soon as a rescue is complete and the victims delivered to safety, no time for tea and hand-shaking, these guys are straight back in the air and onto the next op.
I am very impressed with all the helicopter, aeroplane and air traffic agencies involved. They all just keep going, no tempers flaring, no excitement when the fuel runs out at a field when you are next in line, no snappy comments on the radio, just professional workmanship in a very trying environment.
I have never seen such devastation, misery and confusion.
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The mayor of N.O. speculated that due to the increasing drug problem before the hurricane in the city, a lot of drug addicts are losing their mind looking for a fix and taking up arms. We're talking serious drugs like crack and heroine, meth, etc... I'm sure a handful of mental patience have gotten loose, there is no rhyme or reason for their actions which may include shooting at rescue helicoptors... the real downer is the armed gangs hijacking boats sent to rescue people
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Funny that the news carries the pictures of all these goins on......But somone hasnt caught on and made some statements which would obviously brand them as Racist??
Im surprised that in this liberal news world that they havent been filming any white looters. Could be they are hard to find.
Besides New Orleans can someone post where most of the helicopter work will be. Adjoining states?? Is there any main location for controlling all the Helicopters companies and the contracts??
Im surprised that in this liberal news world that they havent been filming any white looters. Could be they are hard to find.
Besides New Orleans can someone post where most of the helicopter work will be. Adjoining states?? Is there any main location for controlling all the Helicopters companies and the contracts??
Think of the commuting problems the GOM oil patch pilots are having right now....I-10 missing parts of bridges thus shutdown. Fuel hard or impossible to get....and very expensive if available. So much for the wage increases...it all goes out the exhaust pipe now.
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My comments, for what its worth:
1) Without helicopters, the situation in New Orleans would have been 1000 times worse. perhaps 5,000 people were rescued by helicopter (the USCG said 2,000 in one day). This is a triumph of the first magnitude, and I am proud to see Black Hawks and J Hawks running back and forth.
2) There were reports that helos had been shot at, on one day, and that was taken to the bank by the news, the public and ppruners. Now we hear that 75 machines are working continuously over the city, but no bullet holes are reported. My belief is that all things are exaggerated by this situation, including shot reports. As I recall, when flying over Alabama in 1972 instructing, every now and then a nice red-state redneck farmer/hunter shot at us for sport, and about once or twice a year a hole developed in a helicopter.
2) The looting occurs everywhere when civil order breaks down, and is especially possible where people are desparate. It looks like that when I see English football matches. IIRC, the fans that murder their rivals while drunk and vomiting are lilly white British citizens.
3) Once the dust settles, we will hear 1,000 tales of nobility, sacrifice and courage. That is because I have a belief that the normal human condition is like that, 1% selfish, 99% noble. But we enjoy lubricating ourselves with tales of how bad others are, so we wallow in the misery. If you want to gauge what I am saying, see the units that just came back from Iraq, and horsed up to help their fellow citizens, or visit www.hurricanehousing.org and see the 25,000 Americans who have volunteered to open their houses to victims, rent free. They currently list 83,000 beds that are offered. (bsousa and SASless, be careful not to touch that site, it is at Move-On, the liberal.communist/pinko/Darwinian/hunanist site!)
1) Without helicopters, the situation in New Orleans would have been 1000 times worse. perhaps 5,000 people were rescued by helicopter (the USCG said 2,000 in one day). This is a triumph of the first magnitude, and I am proud to see Black Hawks and J Hawks running back and forth.
2) There were reports that helos had been shot at, on one day, and that was taken to the bank by the news, the public and ppruners. Now we hear that 75 machines are working continuously over the city, but no bullet holes are reported. My belief is that all things are exaggerated by this situation, including shot reports. As I recall, when flying over Alabama in 1972 instructing, every now and then a nice red-state redneck farmer/hunter shot at us for sport, and about once or twice a year a hole developed in a helicopter.
2) The looting occurs everywhere when civil order breaks down, and is especially possible where people are desparate. It looks like that when I see English football matches. IIRC, the fans that murder their rivals while drunk and vomiting are lilly white British citizens.
3) Once the dust settles, we will hear 1,000 tales of nobility, sacrifice and courage. That is because I have a belief that the normal human condition is like that, 1% selfish, 99% noble. But we enjoy lubricating ourselves with tales of how bad others are, so we wallow in the misery. If you want to gauge what I am saying, see the units that just came back from Iraq, and horsed up to help their fellow citizens, or visit www.hurricanehousing.org and see the 25,000 Americans who have volunteered to open their houses to victims, rent free. They currently list 83,000 beds that are offered. (bsousa and SASless, be careful not to touch that site, it is at Move-On, the liberal.communist/pinko/Darwinian/hunanist site!)
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Im surprised that in this liberal news world that they havent been filming any white looters.
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I never believe too much of what the media is reporting, but the hurricane coverage has been the worst. I read Canadian and American news online and watch UK television. The television coverage (ITV) was the worst. The reporting blames the highest levels for not realizing the magnitude of the tragedy earlier on (neither did the media). The focus on looting is not on the desperation of the people but on racial discrimination and profiling. The coverage of the rescue efforts have focused on the lack rather than the successes. Even when good things come out such as fundraising campaigns beginning, more resources being committed, other countries joining in, the coverage picks a small negative point and focuses on it.
Lets not be fooled by the reporting. If you can help, then do so. If you can't then hope or pray for the victims and for those providing assistance.
Lets not be fooled by the reporting. If you can help, then do so. If you can't then hope or pray for the victims and for those providing assistance.
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Hats off to tommacklin and all the other crews (both in the air and in support) who are working so hard to help these desperate souls.
One factual, professional post like his is worth a thousand political diatribes. As a pruner, it's reliable facts I want particularly when I have to rely on CNN etc; hence the huge interest in the posts during the tsunami from the helicopter crews on site. However I realise that not many crews will have time to post this time.
As Nick said, disasters bring out the best and the worst in human behaviour; I'm happy to see our colleagues demonstrating the best again.
One factual, professional post like his is worth a thousand political diatribes. As a pruner, it's reliable facts I want particularly when I have to rely on CNN etc; hence the huge interest in the posts during the tsunami from the helicopter crews on site. However I realise that not many crews will have time to post this time.
As Nick said, disasters bring out the best and the worst in human behaviour; I'm happy to see our colleagues demonstrating the best again.
Some rumour....some direct observations relayed by a Gulf Coast Pilot to me by telephone.
Heroes..
Air Log had two S-76's and one Bell 214ST involved in an evacuation of oil field workers that took a turn for the worse. The barge/rig had broken loose, was spinning about, 38 crew at grave risk. The three aircraft landed on a very unstable deck....and despite all the hazards....removed the crew safely. The 214ST sustained a slight over-torque that only required a minor inspection.
Hand Salute! Congratulations to the Air Log crews!
Observations....
Things are much worse than being reported. The overall damage and destruction exceeds the views seen on television as seen first hand by the crews flying over the disaster site. That is the impression being passed along by some of the guys flying there. The entire coast of Mississippi is devastated.....the 25-30 foot storm surge was the main cause of damage.....was likened to the damage done by the Tsunami.
GOM pilots are having a hard time getting to work....lack of fuel, blocked roads....no electricity....flooded bases and the like.
Rumour.....
PHI had an S-92 struck by lightning....the aircraft was pushed into the hangar near Venice.....and the hangar got flooded during the storm. There is a lot of concern the helicopter may have been damaged further by the flood waters.
Heroes..
Air Log had two S-76's and one Bell 214ST involved in an evacuation of oil field workers that took a turn for the worse. The barge/rig had broken loose, was spinning about, 38 crew at grave risk. The three aircraft landed on a very unstable deck....and despite all the hazards....removed the crew safely. The 214ST sustained a slight over-torque that only required a minor inspection.
Hand Salute! Congratulations to the Air Log crews!
Observations....
Things are much worse than being reported. The overall damage and destruction exceeds the views seen on television as seen first hand by the crews flying over the disaster site. That is the impression being passed along by some of the guys flying there. The entire coast of Mississippi is devastated.....the 25-30 foot storm surge was the main cause of damage.....was likened to the damage done by the Tsunami.
GOM pilots are having a hard time getting to work....lack of fuel, blocked roads....no electricity....flooded bases and the like.
Rumour.....
PHI had an S-92 struck by lightning....the aircraft was pushed into the hangar near Venice.....and the hangar got flooded during the storm. There is a lot of concern the helicopter may have been damaged further by the flood waters.
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Back in January, following the tsunami relief efforts, the helicopter associations here in the US (AHS, HAI, etc) lobbied the federal authorities for rotorcraft – both parapublic and private – to be included in DHA disaster planning on a national, regional and local basis. From what I understand little progress was made.
In several months’ time, once the life and death SAR/resupply operations in NOLA are completed and the authorities have had an opportunity to assess FEMA efforts, I suspect we’ll see these proposals being revisited.
I/C
In several months’ time, once the life and death SAR/resupply operations in NOLA are completed and the authorities have had an opportunity to assess FEMA efforts, I suspect we’ll see these proposals being revisited.
I/C
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Makila,
You might want to call the nurse Bubba....yer medication is wearing off.
As usual Makila you seem to have yer facts upside down....never posted to the Jayrow thread....you are plainly confused dear boy.
But that....comes as no surprise at all.
You might want to call the nurse Bubba....yer medication is wearing off.
As usual Makila you seem to have yer facts upside down....never posted to the Jayrow thread....you are plainly confused dear boy.
But that....comes as no surprise at all.
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>>Edited by PedalStop to cut political comments. Airbubba, you are warned to stop the trolling...try inhabiting a web site where your political comments are welcomed. Pprune is not one of those.<<
Uh, I was responding to the customary Yank bashing which seems to be considered non-political I suppose. The original thread I posted to was about shots fired at a rescue helo. News is beginning to leak out about other attacks on the rescuers and more troops, including some in helicopters, are on the way to secure the area.
If you'd like to argue, do it elsewhere. The "response to the bashing" tended to slur races and classes in your own country, Bubba, as well as the people of other countries. This Moderator is a Yank, BTW.
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Uh, I was responding to the customary Yank bashing which seems to be considered non-political I suppose. The original thread I posted to was about shots fired at a rescue helo. News is beginning to leak out about other attacks on the rescuers and more troops, including some in helicopters, are on the way to secure the area.
If you'd like to argue, do it elsewhere. The "response to the bashing" tended to slur races and classes in your own country, Bubba, as well as the people of other countries. This Moderator is a Yank, BTW.
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Ned-Air2Air: You pointed out something that I've always noticed about "Brother Jessie". He claims in front of tv cameras that everything is caused by racism. But "Reverend" (using the phrase far too loosely) Jackson seems to never comment on the need to be responsible for one's actions.
He would rather have his whole race of people consider themselves to be handicapped, requiring government quotas (affirmitive action) and artificial support, in order to achieve anything.
Bill Cosby, a funny (black) comedian, made some public comments not long ago, which were not well received by Mr. Jackson. Isn't it strange how so-called leader Rev. Louis Farrakan has kept a low profile since 9/11?
My main questions about the Gulf Coast catastrophe is just what the US federal or Louisiana state authorities learned, despite the immense flooding, from other hurricanes nearby over decades, and from the 9/11 attacks in New York City? Was there a chain of command set up just in case of a disaster? Or was it based on most people remaining in the city?
The helicopter flying down there must have required guts and nerves of steel (near hidden, urban Viet Cong...).
It also seems odd how few foregin government leaders made any sympathetic comments to the world media following the immense disaster. Have any billionaire Saudi princes (whose oil revenues were defended by Desert Storm) even offered any logistical support? How about other western nations who have received large amounts of US dollars? Maybe the media chooses not to report it? Yeah, right.
He would rather have his whole race of people consider themselves to be handicapped, requiring government quotas (affirmitive action) and artificial support, in order to achieve anything.
Bill Cosby, a funny (black) comedian, made some public comments not long ago, which were not well received by Mr. Jackson. Isn't it strange how so-called leader Rev. Louis Farrakan has kept a low profile since 9/11?
My main questions about the Gulf Coast catastrophe is just what the US federal or Louisiana state authorities learned, despite the immense flooding, from other hurricanes nearby over decades, and from the 9/11 attacks in New York City? Was there a chain of command set up just in case of a disaster? Or was it based on most people remaining in the city?
The helicopter flying down there must have required guts and nerves of steel (near hidden, urban Viet Cong...).
It also seems odd how few foregin government leaders made any sympathetic comments to the world media following the immense disaster. Have any billionaire Saudi princes (whose oil revenues were defended by Desert Storm) even offered any logistical support? How about other western nations who have received large amounts of US dollars? Maybe the media chooses not to report it? Yeah, right.
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A Press Conference with Jesse ( Should Have Used A Condom) Jackson.....
Jesse Jackson lashes out at Bush over Katrina response
06:55 PM CDT on Friday, September 2, 2005
Doug Simpson / Associated Press
BATON ROUGE -- Racism is partly to blame for the deadly aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said, calling President Bush's response to the disaster "incompetent."
"Today, as the President comes to Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi for his ceremonial trip to look at the victims of the devastation, he would do well to have a plan more significant than a ceremonial tour," Jackson said Friday. "His whole response is unacceptable."
Bush has acknowledged that the federal response has not been acceptable, but promised that the government would get supplies to survivors and crack down on violence in New Orleans.
Jackson questioned why Bush has not named blacks to top positions in the federal response to the disaster, particularly when the majority of victims remaining stranded in New Orleans are black: "How can blacks be locked out of the leadership, and trapped in the suffering?"
"It is that lack of sensitivity and compassion that represents a kind of incompetence."
U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Russell Honore, head of the military task force overseeing operations in the three states, is black. His task force is providing search and rescue, medical help and sending supplies to the three states in support of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Jackson was in Baton Rouge to take part in a local project using a caravan of buses to pick up people stranded in New Orleans and transport them out. He spoke at a news conference at the state emergency center.
The civil rights leader said the flooding that caused thousands to be trapped inside the city was caused by a lack of federal funding for its levee system and hurricane planning. The resulting tragedy, he said, has largely hit New Orleans' black residents, because they were too poor to evacuate before the storm hit.
"There's a historical indifference to the pain of poor people and black people" in this country, he said.
Jackson also said the news media has "criminalized the people of New Orleans" by focusing on violence in the city.
When he returned from helping to evacuate people from Jefferson Parish onto seven buses Friday, Jackson said about 5,000 people awaited help on I-10 in Metairie. And he said that help didn't appear to be coming -- although lines of buses sat empty miles away in LaPlace, because the buses would not pick up evacuees without a place to relocate them.
"They've been out there all day in the blistering sun," Jackson said. "There is no bus picking them up because there is no destination for the people."
Jesse did not spend the night in New Orleans with his people....funny that....one would think he would minister to the needy. I wonder how many people he loaded up in his car and took them home with him? Jesse....the last time I checked....the Mayor of New Orleans was Black....the Lousiana governor was a woman....both minorities Jesse. Jesse old sport....the video's were in colour....the camera does not lie....count heads and do a tally by race....and figure out who was doing the looting, raping, robbing, and murdering. I dare say how that count will come out...but then New Orleans is more than sixty-seven percent Black and just over twenty-eight percent white.
Jesse Jackson lashes out at Bush over Katrina response
06:55 PM CDT on Friday, September 2, 2005
Doug Simpson / Associated Press
BATON ROUGE -- Racism is partly to blame for the deadly aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said, calling President Bush's response to the disaster "incompetent."
"Today, as the President comes to Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi for his ceremonial trip to look at the victims of the devastation, he would do well to have a plan more significant than a ceremonial tour," Jackson said Friday. "His whole response is unacceptable."
Bush has acknowledged that the federal response has not been acceptable, but promised that the government would get supplies to survivors and crack down on violence in New Orleans.
Jackson questioned why Bush has not named blacks to top positions in the federal response to the disaster, particularly when the majority of victims remaining stranded in New Orleans are black: "How can blacks be locked out of the leadership, and trapped in the suffering?"
"It is that lack of sensitivity and compassion that represents a kind of incompetence."
U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Russell Honore, head of the military task force overseeing operations in the three states, is black. His task force is providing search and rescue, medical help and sending supplies to the three states in support of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Jackson was in Baton Rouge to take part in a local project using a caravan of buses to pick up people stranded in New Orleans and transport them out. He spoke at a news conference at the state emergency center.
The civil rights leader said the flooding that caused thousands to be trapped inside the city was caused by a lack of federal funding for its levee system and hurricane planning. The resulting tragedy, he said, has largely hit New Orleans' black residents, because they were too poor to evacuate before the storm hit.
"There's a historical indifference to the pain of poor people and black people" in this country, he said.
Jackson also said the news media has "criminalized the people of New Orleans" by focusing on violence in the city.
When he returned from helping to evacuate people from Jefferson Parish onto seven buses Friday, Jackson said about 5,000 people awaited help on I-10 in Metairie. And he said that help didn't appear to be coming -- although lines of buses sat empty miles away in LaPlace, because the buses would not pick up evacuees without a place to relocate them.
"They've been out there all day in the blistering sun," Jackson said. "There is no bus picking them up because there is no destination for the people."
Jesse did not spend the night in New Orleans with his people....funny that....one would think he would minister to the needy. I wonder how many people he loaded up in his car and took them home with him? Jesse....the last time I checked....the Mayor of New Orleans was Black....the Lousiana governor was a woman....both minorities Jesse. Jesse old sport....the video's were in colour....the camera does not lie....count heads and do a tally by race....and figure out who was doing the looting, raping, robbing, and murdering. I dare say how that count will come out...but then New Orleans is more than sixty-seven percent Black and just over twenty-eight percent white.
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Political bashing or the truth? Your nationality should have no bearing as a moderator. What are people supposed to say-great job USA?
Pprune is a Public forum & we should not be gagged everytime there is a criticism regarding a certain countrys handling of a disaster. If this thread is sensitive to you personally- then maybe
Pprune Towers should moderate. The world is watching this mess unfold & we should be able to comment.
The richest country on earth with the most emergency rotorcraft & support?
Makila, Political bashing is allowed, it is the sluring of people and entire countries that I am trying to quell.
This thread has the potential to teach us all what helicopters can do and what mistakes were made. Instead, some made it a chance to start a mini-war between people and nations. The posts I cut or eliminated were purely inflammatory against groups and countries, and only served to troll others.
I do not wish to have pprune become a juvenile food fight, where mindless slurs about tsunami rescues versus hurricanes, with the rheoteric becoming ever more base and vile. Three posters in a row called for action before I stepped in.
This is a community of Rotorcraft pilots, and when we slash at each other, it destroys the community, and is potentially actionable.
You cannot see how bad this thread was because I removed it. You resent it because I clipped your wings.
If you don't like it, leave.
PedalStop, Rotorheads Moderator.
Political bashing or the truth? Your nationality should have no bearing as a moderator. What are people supposed to say-great job USA?
Pprune is a Public forum & we should not be gagged everytime there is a criticism regarding a certain countrys handling of a disaster. If this thread is sensitive to you personally- then maybe
Pprune Towers should moderate. The world is watching this mess unfold & we should be able to comment.
The richest country on earth with the most emergency rotorcraft & support?
Makila, Political bashing is allowed, it is the sluring of people and entire countries that I am trying to quell.
This thread has the potential to teach us all what helicopters can do and what mistakes were made. Instead, some made it a chance to start a mini-war between people and nations. The posts I cut or eliminated were purely inflammatory against groups and countries, and only served to troll others.
I do not wish to have pprune become a juvenile food fight, where mindless slurs about tsunami rescues versus hurricanes, with the rheoteric becoming ever more base and vile. Three posters in a row called for action before I stepped in.
This is a community of Rotorcraft pilots, and when we slash at each other, it destroys the community, and is potentially actionable.
You cannot see how bad this thread was because I removed it. You resent it because I clipped your wings.
If you don't like it, leave.
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Funny eh? We get pages and pages of threads on Gay bashing which Heliport allows and quite frankly had a very tenuous link to helos...Now Heliport is on leave somewhere and his side kick from the US of A moves in and wipes out everything/anything remotely political about this Hurricane disaster.
You weren't sent by Bush were you Pedal Stop?
You're abusing your position as moderator - chill
Bet he pulls SASless and mine before the day's out - any takers?
Thomas,
I mentioned my nationality because that poster blamed pprune for "Yank bashing". Please criticize what occurred. It is the mindless slurs that I am trying to quell.
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You weren't sent by Bush were you Pedal Stop?
You're abusing your position as moderator - chill
Bet he pulls SASless and mine before the day's out - any takers?
Thomas,
I mentioned my nationality because that poster blamed pprune for "Yank bashing". Please criticize what occurred. It is the mindless slurs that I am trying to quell.
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I would suggest to you all ,well thought out posts that seek to further the discussion are always welcome. If there is a post you take issue with for content then present your counter arguments in a polite manner. If you do not like the tone of the post or in any way find it insulting, then take it up with a Mod. They are even handed... although when the lash falls upon one's backside....the impression sometimes might be they are not being so.
Pedal Stop's note that he is not British was to salve another Yank's feelings as he got his breeches dusted and to compound the whacking I would suggest.
Finding the fine line between banter and insult can be hard....we all speak the same language but differently. Sometimes what is meant as banter is taken as an insult but usually the difference is clear to anyone reading the post in question.
Heliport and Pedal Stop do excellent work as Moderators....I have taken my trips to the wood shed in the past and certainly expect to do so in the future. When that happens, it works best to apologize and move on all the while working at being sensitive to what you are saying.
Argue your case...do so politely...or move on...seems the right way to me. You have an argument over something the Mod does...have that argument in private.
When you start getting posts pulled over and over again....that should be a sign to you. How many times does it take to understand that your style, manner, or content is unacceptable and thus one needs to change thine ways. Ultimately, if one does not change....it will result in a ban from participating. That is always a pity for each of us has something to contribute that furthers whatever discussion is being had.
Pedal Stop's note that he is not British was to salve another Yank's feelings as he got his breeches dusted and to compound the whacking I would suggest.
Finding the fine line between banter and insult can be hard....we all speak the same language but differently. Sometimes what is meant as banter is taken as an insult but usually the difference is clear to anyone reading the post in question.
Heliport and Pedal Stop do excellent work as Moderators....I have taken my trips to the wood shed in the past and certainly expect to do so in the future. When that happens, it works best to apologize and move on all the while working at being sensitive to what you are saying.
Argue your case...do so politely...or move on...seems the right way to me. You have an argument over something the Mod does...have that argument in private.
When you start getting posts pulled over and over again....that should be a sign to you. How many times does it take to understand that your style, manner, or content is unacceptable and thus one needs to change thine ways. Ultimately, if one does not change....it will result in a ban from participating. That is always a pity for each of us has something to contribute that furthers whatever discussion is being had.
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”We get pages and pages of threads on Gay bashing which Heliport allows …..”
You’re entitled to your view. For a contrasting view, this is the opening sentence of a PM I received yesterday from a gay contributor who’s taken part in the discussion: “Thanks very much for your welcome sympathetic treatment of the thread.”
”Now Heliport is on leave somewhere and his side kick from the US of A moves in and wipes out everything/anything remotely political about this Hurricane disaster.”
I’m not on leave and, as usual, have been reading the forum several times a day. PedalStop and I share the workload which allows us to cover world time zones.
Makila
You completely misunderstood the reason PedalStop pointed out he’s American. You’ll find the explanation, together with other wise advice, in the latest post by SASless.
You're new to this forum (15 posts) so you may not be used to how we do things. If you don’t like the way we moderate, find another forum more to your liking.
Heliport
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Just noticed PedalStop is also on line and has posted while I was writing. I support his comments 100%.