Bell 427
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B427
I flew the 427 in 2002 for VIP , i have about 80 hours , i am not sure it perform good , it does have same problem as 407 with Pedal stop
also a lot Avionics problems
cheers
also a lot Avionics problems
cheers
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Why did bell develop the 429? what was wrong with the 427? looking on wikipedia it looks like the 427 has a higher usefull load. Imho the 427 looks quite a bit better too.
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What was wrong with the 427 compared to the 429?
Single hydraulic system, no stabilization or autopilot, not nearly as much room as the 429, lower Vne and cruise speed.
And I'm sure there are more reasons.
Single hydraulic system, no stabilization or autopilot, not nearly as much room as the 429, lower Vne and cruise speed.
And I'm sure there are more reasons.
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427 Limitations
Spot on Shawn. I had a peripheral input, and aside from your observations, it would have been too expensive and heavy to incorporate all the discrete requirements for Cat A systems separation, never mind overcoming all the other limitations. What it HAS done, though, is to act as a proving ground for the 429's dynamics, and to highlight areas for improvement elsewhere; fuselage,cabin, eqpt config, maintenance access, system reliability etc. Pity they do not (yet) have a wheeled version available for the corporate market - A109E may have eaten their lunch on that one ~ vfr
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it would have been too expensive and heavy to incorporate all the discrete requirements for Cat A systems separation,
Last edited by Avnx EO; 7th Apr 2010 at 04:19.
"and a cabin that would never make it for EMS" ... really
Alfa Helicopter - about us
Fairly easy loading with the turn-table, and complete access to the patient by 2 medical crew.
Alfa Helicopter - about us
Fairly easy loading with the turn-table, and complete access to the patient by 2 medical crew.
'ricksheli' will try and dig out a few more.
EMS fit-out done by Alfa themselves. Can be reconfirgured to Charter ops in about an hour, by 3 engineers. Very good setup.
EMS fit-out done by Alfa themselves. Can be reconfirgured to Charter ops in about an hour, by 3 engineers. Very good setup.
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Thanks BigMike,
Presently we have A119 with factory fit EMS, but looks like single engine won't be approved into Hospital helipads from now on, so the search is on to replace with economic twin
Thanks for help
Presently we have A119 with factory fit EMS, but looks like single engine won't be approved into Hospital helipads from now on, so the search is on to replace with economic twin
Thanks for help
Here are a few of the EMS interior by Alfa.
The 427 performs pretty well in this role. Fairly quick (120kts everywhere) and nice and responsive to fly. Easy to land in tight side streets etc. I enjoyed flying it.
The 427 performs pretty well in this role. Fairly quick (120kts everywhere) and nice and responsive to fly. Easy to land in tight side streets etc. I enjoyed flying it.
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them 427s
The fun starts if an HLO comes running and wants to load 6 passengers, but you tell him you can only take 3. "Captain you have six seats"!!!! My answer "Yes, but it's only a 3 passenger day"
As far as I know they still operate them. They used to have one on the Slovakian contract, with another as back-up. The pilots hated it (Too heavy) as they had L-4's before the 'Twin' requirement, which they liked.
Bell 427... Opinions??
Any 427 drivers/operators out there like to share any opinions on the machine?? Overall performance, reliability, single engine performance, operating costs etc?
Any info would be greatly appreciated....
Thanks in advance.
Any info would be greatly appreciated....
Thanks in advance.
Still available new!
Are there any being operated in Australia currently?
Any idea of support in Oz?
There was a B427i rumoured
Were there any ever certified SPIFR?
Any fitted with AFCS?
Bell are still offering new ones for sale. Apart from extreme difficulty in ever selling, any obvious pitfalls?
Comparison with A109E?
Thanks very much for any info.
TLN
Any idea of support in Oz?
There was a B427i rumoured
Were there any ever certified SPIFR?
Any fitted with AFCS?
Bell are still offering new ones for sale. Apart from extreme difficulty in ever selling, any obvious pitfalls?
Comparison with A109E?
Thanks very much for any info.
TLN
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Are there any being operated in Australia currently?
There was a B427i rumoured
Were there any ever certified SPIFR?
Bell are still offering new ones for sale.
Apart from extreme difficulty in ever selling, any obvious pitfalls?
I/C
Bell 427 - the good, bad and ugly...
Good
Quick
Smooth
Reliable day to day
Good single engine performance
P & W engines
Bad
Unless you're Alfa, very difficult/impossible to use for medevac missions
Major parts are becoming difficult to obtain without big delays
Limited space for avionics
Poor visibility
Bell support on this product is dismal (maybe better if you buy one of the 3 new airframes still available)
Ceiling limitations
No flat floor
A face only a mother could love...
Ugly
Mast issues
Hull value is in freefall and concerns about residual value going forward.
Tech support and Parts support
BD
Good
Quick
Smooth
Reliable day to day
Good single engine performance
P & W engines
Bad
Unless you're Alfa, very difficult/impossible to use for medevac missions
Major parts are becoming difficult to obtain without big delays
Limited space for avionics
Poor visibility
Bell support on this product is dismal (maybe better if you buy one of the 3 new airframes still available)
Ceiling limitations
No flat floor
A face only a mother could love...
Ugly
Mast issues
Hull value is in freefall and concerns about residual value going forward.
Tech support and Parts support
BD