BHL Mega pay deal.............
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Think you mis-understand here. It appears that the CC were asked to "strongly recommend" the deal. They refused and were told that if they did not "recommend" the deal, then the offer would be taken off the table and a much worse deal offered in its place. Surely, it is the CC's job to get its members the best offer that it can, even if it has to "recommend" the deal. Then it is up to the members to decide whether they like the deal or not. If they don't they vote against it.
There was a charter airline either earlier this year or last year whose CC "recommended" the offer from their management because it was the best deal that they could get. It was put out to the members and they strongly voted against it. The CC was then able to go back to the management and get a better deal. The workforce were giving them the support to go back and negotiate.
Don't be blinded by simple words, it's all a game of politics (ask our MPs about their tactics sometime!). The important thing is - IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE OFFER THEN VOTE AGAINST IT, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT YOUR CC HAS "RECOMMENDED"
The more that do, the more likely the company may actually get the message that their offer isn't good enough and will have to look for money from somewhere such as those big rich b******s of oil companies that put us (via weak management over the last 20 odd years) in this damn awful position!
Think you mis-understand here. It appears that the CC were asked to "strongly recommend" the deal. They refused and were told that if they did not "recommend" the deal, then the offer would be taken off the table and a much worse deal offered in its place. Surely, it is the CC's job to get its members the best offer that it can, even if it has to "recommend" the deal. Then it is up to the members to decide whether they like the deal or not. If they don't they vote against it.
There was a charter airline either earlier this year or last year whose CC "recommended" the offer from their management because it was the best deal that they could get. It was put out to the members and they strongly voted against it. The CC was then able to go back to the management and get a better deal. The workforce were giving them the support to go back and negotiate.
Don't be blinded by simple words, it's all a game of politics (ask our MPs about their tactics sometime!). The important thing is - IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE OFFER THEN VOTE AGAINST IT, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT YOUR CC HAS "RECOMMENDED"
The more that do, the more likely the company may actually get the message that their offer isn't good enough and will have to look for money from somewhere such as those big rich b******s of oil companies that put us (via weak management over the last 20 odd years) in this damn awful position!
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Come on. How on earth could you offer a "worse deal" than this in the current circumstances if you are serious about manning your aircraft.
This deal is atrocious. You're one of the lucky ones if you get more than 5% in real terms out of it, a lot get less.
How on earth are we going to get up to parity with the narrow body jet guys if we accept this nonsense.
Being the poorest paid chaps on the helicopter going offshore is getting tedious and soul destroying.
LET'S GET THIS SORTED OUT!
This deal is atrocious. You're one of the lucky ones if you get more than 5% in real terms out of it, a lot get less.
How on earth are we going to get up to parity with the narrow body jet guys if we accept this nonsense.
Being the poorest paid chaps on the helicopter going offshore is getting tedious and soul destroying.
LET'S GET THIS SORTED OUT!
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Speedwing--
Thanks for the clarification. I think I'd say now that your (?) CC made a mistake in allowing their arms to be twisted by BHL. I think they would have been much better advised to not only point-blank refuse to recommend the deal but also to put a flea in the management's ear and to widely publicise the company's behaviour.
Thanks for the clarification. I think I'd say now that your (?) CC made a mistake in allowing their arms to be twisted by BHL. I think they would have been much better advised to not only point-blank refuse to recommend the deal but also to put a flea in the management's ear and to widely publicise the company's behaviour.
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Ally 1987:
I do not disagree with your sentiments. However, having sat on the management side of the fence in a dim and distant past with a different operator! I do know that there has to be a certain amount of trust between Union team and Management team. Hence the recent gagging. This is actually no bad thing, because it allows frank discussion within the 4 walls. If either side breaks that trust then future negotiations are damaged, therefore this trust tends to be honoured.It would not be right for the negotiating team to give the management a "flea in the ear" for the same reasons of trust.
I don't have a problem with our CC putting this proposal to us because that allows us to give a much bigger "flea in the ear" with a unanimous rejection in the forthcoming ballot. Then Richard and co can go into stage 2 with real ammunition. The company negotiating team will not be able to ignore the result of a ballot and impending industrial strife.
Happy flying!
Did anyone find my 61 or puma!!
I do not disagree with your sentiments. However, having sat on the management side of the fence in a dim and distant past with a different operator! I do know that there has to be a certain amount of trust between Union team and Management team. Hence the recent gagging. This is actually no bad thing, because it allows frank discussion within the 4 walls. If either side breaks that trust then future negotiations are damaged, therefore this trust tends to be honoured.It would not be right for the negotiating team to give the management a "flea in the ear" for the same reasons of trust.
I don't have a problem with our CC putting this proposal to us because that allows us to give a much bigger "flea in the ear" with a unanimous rejection in the forthcoming ballot. Then Richard and co can go into stage 2 with real ammunition. The company negotiating team will not be able to ignore the result of a ballot and impending industrial strife.
Happy flying!
Did anyone find my 61 or puma!!
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Tuckunder It's in the hangar Painted Red and White Can't miss it, don't know where you left the Puma. Lol
As for the pay deal We have to back the cc, Tuckunder is right if we stick together we Will get a better Deal.
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As for the pay deal We have to back the cc, Tuckunder is right if we stick together we Will get a better Deal.
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400hz certainly has got you all going but come on boys take it on the chin and lets stick together on this one.
Can you imagine how we felt when management wanted us to accept an offer of 5% then after we had rejected it we saw your deal. They certainly tried to stitch us up good and proper.
We need to be united on this we all need a major boost and fighting amongst ourselves does nobody any good at all, remember the old "Divide and rule" thats obviously the management game.
Remember pilots can't work without engineers and the same applies to us if you're not flying there's no work for us.
Anyway guys you can keep your 5 series BMW's just pay me enough to buy and run a Ducati 996 SPS far more fun!!!
Can you imagine how we felt when management wanted us to accept an offer of 5% then after we had rejected it we saw your deal. They certainly tried to stitch us up good and proper.
We need to be united on this we all need a major boost and fighting amongst ourselves does nobody any good at all, remember the old "Divide and rule" thats obviously the management game.
Remember pilots can't work without engineers and the same applies to us if you're not flying there's no work for us.
Anyway guys you can keep your 5 series BMW's just pay me enough to buy and run a Ducati 996 SPS far more fun!!!
