Why not operating an russian helicopter?
It's not just an adventure....
it's just a job!
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Our G/S was 150. He was accelerating away from us at a departure rate of 40 Kts (on radar). Do the math. Our indicated was 140, hence a 10 kt tailwind.
Tec Pilot?
Your knowledge of unconfirmable numbers is incredible, therefor I ask once again, why the name?
OffshoreIgor
Our G/S was 150. He was accelerating away from us at a departure rate of 40 Kts (on radar). Do the math. Our indicated was 140, hence a 10 kt tailwind.
Tec Pilot?
Your knowledge of unconfirmable numbers is incredible, therefor I ask once again, why the name?
OffshoreIgor
Just go out and count numbers instead looking to radar 
may be you can find also some unconfirmable numbers.
There are enough unconfirmable numbers out there, enough to share between you and me.
I don't like looking to radar and prefer to smell the ship himself. Because you need a very good camera to make instrument photos of your Ka-32 flying with you in formation, i shoot the following one for you. If you look to the left upper corner you can find the right instrument on a Ka-32. I'm dreaming ?! A confirmable number!
Please note it's marked in km per hour! The absolutely VNE on sea level is red marked on 260 km/h.... But the ship isn't able to reach this speed on cruising, only on a steep dive.
You was at a 140kt steep dive formation on the KA-32 VNE when suddenly the dammned russian ship accelerated again +40kt, the pilot waved goodbye and showed you the real ship identity! It was Mr. Santini and AIRWOLF
If you have further questions... anytime my dear...
Note the "restricted" marks...
may be you can find also some unconfirmable numbers. There are enough unconfirmable numbers out there, enough to share between you and me.
I don't like looking to radar and prefer to smell the ship himself. Because you need a very good camera to make instrument photos of your Ka-32 flying with you in formation, i shoot the following one for you. If you look to the left upper corner you can find the right instrument on a Ka-32. I'm dreaming ?! A confirmable number!
Please note it's marked in km per hour! The absolutely VNE on sea level is red marked on 260 km/h.... But the ship isn't able to reach this speed on cruising, only on a steep dive.
You was at a 140kt steep dive formation on the KA-32 VNE when suddenly the dammned russian ship accelerated again +40kt, the pilot waved goodbye and showed you the real ship identity! It was Mr. Santini and AIRWOLF
If you have further questions... anytime my dear...
Note the "restricted" marks...
I can remember flying formation with a KA-32 in the North Sea and seeing him wave goodbye and accelerate to 190Kts+ as he left us in his dust to go back to Mother....
...We were doing 150 and his departure rate on our Radar was 40 kts....
...Oh yeah I forgot......VNE to a Russian means Nada.
...We were doing 150 and his departure rate on our Radar was 40 kts....
...Oh yeah I forgot......VNE to a Russian means Nada.
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It's not just an adventure....
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All I can say is "Some Mother's do Ave em!"
OffshoreIgor
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2 KA-32\'s are on a direct collision course at 120kt g/s each. They are 4 miles apart. When will they collide?
Will they collide?
What colour is their underwear when they do collide?
OffshoreIgor
All I can say is "Some Mother's do Ave em!"
OffshoreIgor Tecpilot
2 KA-32\'s are on a direct collision course at 120kt g/s each. They are 4 miles apart. When will they collide?
Will they collide?
What colour is their underwear when they do collide?
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who's wrong who's right??
hey offshoreigor....
sorry i interrupt this (for me a little child.) conversation...who's wrong who's right??? dosn't matter i think...but next time you maybe ask somebody who spent a lot of hours in a KA-32 and doing nothing else then sling-load ops in constructing skilifts, towers and so on all kind of altitudes and situations..
maybe that was the idea of a forum...isn't it....
and by the way...a lot of people (pilots) with several thousand hours in aerialwork feel not like they need to have such a "all explaining" nickname...
cheers guys and for everybody ...safe flying
sorry i interrupt this (for me a little child.) conversation...who's wrong who's right??? dosn't matter i think...but next time you maybe ask somebody who spent a lot of hours in a KA-32 and doing nothing else then sling-load ops in constructing skilifts, towers and so on all kind of altitudes and situations..
maybe that was the idea of a forum...isn't it....
and by the way...a lot of people (pilots) with several thousand hours in aerialwork feel not like they need to have such a "all explaining" nickname...
cheers guys and for everybody ...safe flying
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To go back on topic…
There is in Belgium a company called “Skytech Helicopter Service”.
They operate all kinds of russian helicopters with russian registrations.
On their website they offer services in „Defence and Peace Keeping“.
They also state to operate a Mi-10K.
Does anybody know something about this company?
There is in Belgium a company called “Skytech Helicopter Service”.
They operate all kinds of russian helicopters with russian registrations.
On their website they offer services in „Defence and Peace Keeping“.
They also state to operate a Mi-10K.
Does anybody know something about this company?
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To add my several cents worth to the discussion
W-3A - very nice machine. Lots of potential - fully de-iced machine, nice square cabin - the Polish operator who used it in Spain for firefighting had no problems with it - only problems with the factory. Management of the company still stuck in the Stalin years from my encounters with them. No threat to any western manufacturer.
KA-32 - you wouldn't get a KA-32 to 190 Kts downhill with a following wind - if the vibration didn't get you, the incredible nose down attitude would have. And probably the two rotor systems would have started to touch each other. The Vne is pretty hard to reach in level flight with maximum power, so I'd be very surprised at the 190 Kts.
But unsurpassed for lifting heavy loads.
The Poles told me that they knew of Mi-2 helicopters that would be chained to a tree, and every spring the battery would get charged, the various fittings that needed grease would get greased, the engine would get de-preserved, fuel would be added and then the helicopter would get flown for 10 hours to spray the collective farm's cherry trees. And then the engines preserved and the helicopter parked again, outside by the orchard for the rest of the year. Blades tied down - maybe. Engine covers - maybe. But no other attention till the next spring.
'Russian helicopters are Russian solutions to Russian problems.'
And just like our helicopters have difficulty surviving in Russian conditions (no hangars, spare parts difficult to find), theirs will have difficulty surviving in our (economic and technical) conditions.
W-3A - very nice machine. Lots of potential - fully de-iced machine, nice square cabin - the Polish operator who used it in Spain for firefighting had no problems with it - only problems with the factory. Management of the company still stuck in the Stalin years from my encounters with them. No threat to any western manufacturer.
KA-32 - you wouldn't get a KA-32 to 190 Kts downhill with a following wind - if the vibration didn't get you, the incredible nose down attitude would have. And probably the two rotor systems would have started to touch each other. The Vne is pretty hard to reach in level flight with maximum power, so I'd be very surprised at the 190 Kts.
But unsurpassed for lifting heavy loads.
The Poles told me that they knew of Mi-2 helicopters that would be chained to a tree, and every spring the battery would get charged, the various fittings that needed grease would get greased, the engine would get de-preserved, fuel would be added and then the helicopter would get flown for 10 hours to spray the collective farm's cherry trees. And then the engines preserved and the helicopter parked again, outside by the orchard for the rest of the year. Blades tied down - maybe. Engine covers - maybe. But no other attention till the next spring.
'Russian helicopters are Russian solutions to Russian problems.'
And just like our helicopters have difficulty surviving in Russian conditions (no hangars, spare parts difficult to find), theirs will have difficulty surviving in our (economic and technical) conditions.
Thanks Shawn,
Forget “Skytech Helicopter Service” or other postboxes. They operate nothing except their telephone. The world is full of providers like this, if someone checks their informations, he will find allways the same helicopters or informations. Partly they tell about the same orders and photos. Mostly the providers doesn't come from this business and offer 26to loads with Mi-26 but have never seen a 500kg longline job and a Mi-26 only on a promotion tour. The system is easy, knowing a telephon number in the east, making a website and becoming a provider or sub-provider or sub-sub-sub provider. „Defence and Peace Keeping“ says it all. You can have the helicopters direct from Chechenia if the price is right. To what kind of possible customers is this offer good enough?
Forget “Skytech Helicopter Service” or other postboxes. They operate nothing except their telephone. The world is full of providers like this, if someone checks their informations, he will find allways the same helicopters or informations. Partly they tell about the same orders and photos. Mostly the providers doesn't come from this business and offer 26to loads with Mi-26 but have never seen a 500kg longline job and a Mi-26 only on a promotion tour. The system is easy, knowing a telephon number in the east, making a website and becoming a provider or sub-provider or sub-sub-sub provider. „Defence and Peace Keeping“ says it all. You can have the helicopters direct from Chechenia if the price is right. To what kind of possible customers is this offer good enough?
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Sadly to report yesterday a Ka-32 helicopter with a Russian crew crashed in the Malaysian state of Sarawak, Kalimantan Island. Three Russian citizens died in the crash — the pilot, flight engineer and the mechanic. It's reported that the copter, engaged in timber-hauling, crashed under conditions of a torrential tropical rain and burst into flames in an outlying area of the jungle.
The last accident with a KA-32 in Malaysia was in April 2004. It was also a ship of the Vladivostok-based Avialift company. In this accident the pilot died.
Avialift was involved in several accidents with russian helicopters around the world. Another KA-32 accident happened on 06-15-99 in Indonesia. A Mi-8, crashed a few years ago in Haiti, where Avialift was working for the United Nations. All crewmembers died.
Avialift is only such a provider and "consultant" not a operator. hiring the ships from different russian sources.
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:X...vialift&hl=eng
The last accident with a KA-32 in Malaysia was in April 2004. It was also a ship of the Vladivostok-based Avialift company. In this accident the pilot died.
Avialift was involved in several accidents with russian helicopters around the world. Another KA-32 accident happened on 06-15-99 in Indonesia. A Mi-8, crashed a few years ago in Haiti, where Avialift was working for the United Nations. All crewmembers died.
Avialift is only such a provider and "consultant" not a operator. hiring the ships from different russian sources.
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:X...vialift&hl=eng
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Even down here.
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The "ER" is from Republic of Moldova....Eastern Europe. If I`m not mistaken HeliHarvest has two Mi-17, the ER-MHA and ER-MHB.
All I can say about the Russian helicopters is this: leave them for two years outside exposed to the elements(snow, wind, sand) and then go back to them...put some fuel in them and they`ll start like if they were in use all these years. Rugged mashines. I can say I have quite some experience on these beasts(Mi-8 and Mi-17). They will get any job you want done. We had to lift 100 tons of construction materials to an altitude of 1800meters. We did it in 3 days because of bad visibility on the mountain top.
And I can confirm tecpilot`s numbers
All I can say about the Russian helicopters is this: leave them for two years outside exposed to the elements(snow, wind, sand) and then go back to them...put some fuel in them and they`ll start like if they were in use all these years. Rugged mashines. I can say I have quite some experience on these beasts(Mi-8 and Mi-17). They will get any job you want done. We had to lift 100 tons of construction materials to an altitude of 1800meters. We did it in 3 days because of bad visibility on the mountain top.
And I can confirm tecpilot`s numbers
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TecPilot.... You make good and bad points. I don't have time to list all your errors right now but will get to them in time.
Firstly, an Mi 8 has 2 Hydraulic tanks, not one as you stated. The Primary and Secondary hydraulic systems are completely independent of each other except that they work through one set of servo actuators - unlike e.g. a Puma which has 2 sets.
Secondly, I have read every English translated Flight and Maintenance manual supplied by the factories and I challenge you to show me where your sentence "...For Gods sake don't pull the collective at more than 1 degree per second" is found.
Doesn't exist.
PS All your engine stats are quite easy to quote for anyone who can type "google".
Firstly, an Mi 8 has 2 Hydraulic tanks, not one as you stated. The Primary and Secondary hydraulic systems are completely independent of each other except that they work through one set of servo actuators - unlike e.g. a Puma which has 2 sets.
Secondly, I have read every English translated Flight and Maintenance manual supplied by the factories and I challenge you to show me where your sentence "...For Gods sake don't pull the collective at more than 1 degree per second" is found.
Doesn't exist.
PS All your engine stats are quite easy to quote for anyone who can type "google".
Firstly, an Mi 8 has 2 Hydraulic tanks, not one as you stated. The Primary and Secondary hydraulic systems are completely independent of each other except that they work through one set of servo actuators - unlike e.g. a Puma which has 2 sets.
Limited as example on the following parts:
1. No AP. The AP is normally (1. system) full time on work. Damping the ship reactions and works on condition as a 3 axis AP.
2. Only manual deblocking of the collective. On the primary system the collective is deblocked by the hydraulic system.
3. No angle limiting on the swashplate as normally on the primary system.
Thats the situation on a common 20 years old ex soviet union Mi-8T with the TV2-117A.
Fully redundant only on the newer Mi-17, Mi171, Mi-8MTV, but this versions are also equipped with other engines, other electronics and APU. Nearly other helicopters...
I have flown the ship first time long before Google. Looking forward to my other errors. To err is human.
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Offshoreigor - no prob's with Russian heli's and only reason why UN wants to get shot of them is maybe they are tired of being bled dry by ex Eastern bloc operators offering plenty but delivering zilch as well as having too many accidents especially weather related ones. When operated by Western crew, which carries it's price which the UN seem no to want to pay, there are no accidents and the job gets done efficiently. The Mil-8MTV is an excellent machine and the Kamov KA32 isn't half bad either.
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To continue on the topic, without slagging people of. Spanish helicopter operator Helisureste signed a contract for the delivery of two Ka-32s. It doesn't say so on their website (or it might, don't speak Spanish).
And what about that air service between two small island in Malta, they've used the Mi-8T for a couple of years, and quite intensive in the summer season.
The south Korean are also using heaps and heaps of Kamovs, but this was done in a barter deal (debt for military hardware). So not completly fair to put it down to the qualities of the Helix....
Off all Russian helicopters I like the Ka-226 the most, looks ugly but I thought it was a nifty idea to be able to de-attach the passenger cabin and use it for aerial crane work instead. I like modular things....
And what about that air service between two small island in Malta, they've used the Mi-8T for a couple of years, and quite intensive in the summer season.
The south Korean are also using heaps and heaps of Kamovs, but this was done in a barter deal (debt for military hardware). So not completly fair to put it down to the qualities of the Helix....
Off all Russian helicopters I like the Ka-226 the most, looks ugly but I thought it was a nifty idea to be able to de-attach the passenger cabin and use it for aerial crane work instead. I like modular things....
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Spain to purchase Russia's fire fighting helicopters
17:16 | 28/ 11/ 2005
MOSCOW, November 28 (RIA Novosti) - Spanish company Helisureste will purchase two fire fighting helicopters from Russia's Kamov producer under a contract signed late last week, the Russian company said Monday.
"Considering Helisureste's last contract, the Kamov will supply four Ka-32 helicopters in 2006," the company said.
The Spanish company has been operating Ka-32 helicopters since 1995. In 2004 and 2004, the company received four Ka-32 helicopters and has successfully employed them since then to put out fires in Europe, the company said.
Helisureste's technical director said the 2005 fire-fighting season proved the Ka-32 helicopters to be the best in the world in terms of their performance.
The Ka-32 is a multi-purpose helicopter certified in Russia, Canada, Switzerland, Taiwan, South Korea and Mexico. The helicopter is used for fire fighting, rescue operations, construction, assembly, transportation operations in the mountains, rough terrain at low and high temperatures and can perform day or night, despite low visibility.
17:16 | 28/ 11/ 2005
MOSCOW, November 28 (RIA Novosti) - Spanish company Helisureste will purchase two fire fighting helicopters from Russia's Kamov producer under a contract signed late last week, the Russian company said Monday.
"Considering Helisureste's last contract, the Kamov will supply four Ka-32 helicopters in 2006," the company said.
The Spanish company has been operating Ka-32 helicopters since 1995. In 2004 and 2004, the company received four Ka-32 helicopters and has successfully employed them since then to put out fires in Europe, the company said.
Helisureste's technical director said the 2005 fire-fighting season proved the Ka-32 helicopters to be the best in the world in terms of their performance.
The Ka-32 is a multi-purpose helicopter certified in Russia, Canada, Switzerland, Taiwan, South Korea and Mexico. The helicopter is used for fire fighting, rescue operations, construction, assembly, transportation operations in the mountains, rough terrain at low and high temperatures and can perform day or night, despite low visibility.
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The biggest reason that you won't see a Russian helicopter Type Certified in the US anytime soon is because ther is no Bilateral agreement betwen US and Russia that allows it. The only agreement that is in place as of today is to allow some Russian airplanes with US avionics, engines, and propellers into the US. These agreements are put together by departments of state or there equvalent agencies.
I have 1100 hrs in various Russian helicopters from the Mi-2 through the 35P and the Ka-32, and they are all good machines with some limitations, just like all helicopters. They would not be certifiable in the U.S. FAA world for standard category without a lot of waivers and changes. They are incredibly cheap to buy and for that reason would cause a lot of grief to the US OEM's who sell helicopters for big bucks. In my opinion, for the Secretaries of the U.S. Departments of State and Transportation to allow a bilateral opening the doors for Russian helicopter certification in any category except "Experimental" would cost someone their political career.airplanes
I have 1100 hrs in various Russian helicopters from the Mi-2 through the 35P and the Ka-32, and they are all good machines with some limitations, just like all helicopters. They would not be certifiable in the U.S. FAA world for standard category without a lot of waivers and changes. They are incredibly cheap to buy and for that reason would cause a lot of grief to the US OEM's who sell helicopters for big bucks. In my opinion, for the Secretaries of the U.S. Departments of State and Transportation to allow a bilateral opening the doors for Russian helicopter certification in any category except "Experimental" would cost someone their political career.airplanes