They're Baaaaaack!
Joined: Jan 2000
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From: Derby
TFS,
It's worse than the CAA just recovering their costs from their users. They actually have to return a 6% profit to the Treasury. So for every £100 it costs them to do something, they have to charge £106.
make users of organisations pay in whole for their existance
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From: Downeast
TFS.....one should not be unkind to our CAA brethren....most are genuinely nice people that are trying to do the best they can within the system.
I know dressing like the boss is supposed to be a way to success....but really....playing with Mr. Potato Head at a staff meeting....that just is not cricket.
I know dressing like the boss is supposed to be a way to success....but really....playing with Mr. Potato Head at a staff meeting....that just is not cricket.
Joined: Nov 2004
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From: USA & UK
Yep just another example of why there is sweet fa great about britain any more.
I knew there was a reason I joined the brain drain from that third world country and moved to a more progressive nation where common sense, practicality and democracy reigns rather than idle pricks in suits.
I knew there was a reason I joined the brain drain from that third world country and moved to a more progressive nation where common sense, practicality and democracy reigns rather than idle pricks in suits.
Joined: Apr 2002
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From: Asia
Hidden Agenda
NickLappos,
I know you are sensitive to hidden agenda, you told me so on another thread.
What I can’t work out is what your is here?
If the UK government believes that the public should be protected from the aviator and that the aviator should pay to provide that protection then surely that is a domestic policy matter. If a side effect of this action were to return the oversight of aviation in Britain back to the British (Europeans) then I for one would be for it.
I know you are sensitive to hidden agenda, you told me so on another thread.
What I can’t work out is what your is here?
If the UK government believes that the public should be protected from the aviator and that the aviator should pay to provide that protection then surely that is a domestic policy matter. If a side effect of this action were to return the oversight of aviation in Britain back to the British (Europeans) then I for one would be for it.
Joined: Mar 2000
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From: UK
SHortshaft
Are you expressing your preference from Asia?
I realise Nick Lappos is posting from America, but he has a very good knowledge of aviation in the UK (historic and current), and his post reflects concern here about the recent proposal.
Are you expressing your preference from Asia?
I realise Nick Lappos is posting from America, but he has a very good knowledge of aviation in the UK (historic and current), and his post reflects concern here about the recent proposal.
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From: Downeast
Ah the UK....encountered some of that enlightened thinking recently.
Whilst doing touch and go's...closed circuits to the training area....the landing fee was charged for each time we "entered" the circuit. We are not considered to be a "training machine" despite the only thing we were doing is training. We pay a landing fee each time we go buy fuel which is 18 pence per liter higher than other places and when the airport is "closed"....no operations allowed. I just love having to call on the phone....and "book" my arrival/departure and/or fuelling. What really tops this off is the radio call for permission to start engines....now cmon' guys! We do not exactly fly out of Heathrow nor do we have an instrument clearance to pick-up or anything....just a simple VFR single engine helicopter.
Everyone I have met in the system are kind, nice, friendly and helpful.....but the system sure seems designed to counter all that.
I prefer the way we do it in the USA....preflight, fire up, call tower....depart....land as the case may be. Pay at the bowser....no walking all over the airfield to find the office to pay. No landing fees, no airway fees, no booking of landings/departures (when VFR).
Where did the Hi-Vis vest thing come from? We don't do that in the states and we do not seem to be losing folks to engines, props, or tugs?
British Aviation seems headed towards an Orwellian finish.
Whilst doing touch and go's...closed circuits to the training area....the landing fee was charged for each time we "entered" the circuit. We are not considered to be a "training machine" despite the only thing we were doing is training. We pay a landing fee each time we go buy fuel which is 18 pence per liter higher than other places and when the airport is "closed"....no operations allowed. I just love having to call on the phone....and "book" my arrival/departure and/or fuelling. What really tops this off is the radio call for permission to start engines....now cmon' guys! We do not exactly fly out of Heathrow nor do we have an instrument clearance to pick-up or anything....just a simple VFR single engine helicopter.
Everyone I have met in the system are kind, nice, friendly and helpful.....but the system sure seems designed to counter all that.
I prefer the way we do it in the USA....preflight, fire up, call tower....depart....land as the case may be. Pay at the bowser....no walking all over the airfield to find the office to pay. No landing fees, no airway fees, no booking of landings/departures (when VFR).
Where did the Hi-Vis vest thing come from? We don't do that in the states and we do not seem to be losing folks to engines, props, or tugs?
British Aviation seems headed towards an Orwellian finish.
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From: Downeast
TFS...
Remember we have the same kind of costs...but the taxpayer supports the funding by means of our kindly donations to the government in the form of income taxes. The FAA receives funding from tax revenues thus the "user" costs are spread amongst the many and not the few.
Remember we have the same kind of costs...but the taxpayer supports the funding by means of our kindly donations to the government in the form of income taxes. The FAA receives funding from tax revenues thus the "user" costs are spread amongst the many and not the few.
