"I will give employer $10k" !
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"I will give employer $10k" !
Todays Australian.
"In return for (multi engine) employment, I will give employer $10,000"
I hope 'John' is reading this and can justify why he's attempting to single handedly f*** the industry for all new pilots seeking employment. (I however doubt any one will take up his offer.)
If you need to pay to get a job, you're probably not worth employing anyway.
It's a sad day for the industry if it needs to come to this.
"In return for (multi engine) employment, I will give employer $10,000"
I hope 'John' is reading this and can justify why he's attempting to single handedly f*** the industry for all new pilots seeking employment. (I however doubt any one will take up his offer.)
If you need to pay to get a job, you're probably not worth employing anyway.
It's a sad day for the industry if it needs to come to this.
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Look on the bright side. At least it's aplanker and not one of us.
There is a phone number on the add of course so I guess it might be worth a call to tell him what a goose he is !!!!
There is a phone number on the add of course so I guess it might be worth a call to tell him what a goose he is !!!!
Not enough $$$ ...
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Once I had to write a check to Sikorsky to cover a travel over-payment. My wife saw the checkbook entry, and said to me, "You dumbass, THEY are supposed to pay YOU!" Very appropriate words here, too!
I wouldn't worry about it too much fellas. He is one of a few that feel they can buy there way to the top. Surely companies common sense will prevail. If they aren't smart enough to stop him their insurance companies will. Besides, companies these days are far more enclined to subject their current employees to bonds, training fees etc. despite years of loyal service, overtime and working well and above their call of duty as opposed to old mate here who has obviously on another planet. The truth of the matter is that this poor bloke has already p#$$ed a substantial amount of his mulla up against the wall and it appears, is more than happy to carry on doing so without having any idea about the value of experience. Go and blow it at the casino John. Much better odds!!
Free market capitalism at work here guys....if you want to invest in your future...go for it.
What is the difference in paying for it in cash or signing a training bond and walking off or staying at some ugly place for two years to work off the training bond?
Any employer that would do either, is not a place one would want to work at anyway. If they are that damn cheap...whatelse are they doing in an unprofessional manner?
Imagine the customer's impression when that kind of conduct gets out? I would make sure it gets out too!
If the employer is treating the working stiffs correctly....they are not going to be leaving unless there is a down turn in business....when the downturn happens...the company should be retaining its best performers and letting the lesser capable seek alternative employment.
One man's opinion here.
What is the difference in paying for it in cash or signing a training bond and walking off or staying at some ugly place for two years to work off the training bond?
Any employer that would do either, is not a place one would want to work at anyway. If they are that damn cheap...whatelse are they doing in an unprofessional manner?
Imagine the customer's impression when that kind of conduct gets out? I would make sure it gets out too!
If the employer is treating the working stiffs correctly....they are not going to be leaving unless there is a down turn in business....when the downturn happens...the company should be retaining its best performers and letting the lesser capable seek alternative employment.
One man's opinion here.
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Come on you loser’s.
Its interesting to note that most, if not all of you are CPL rather than ATPL.
Its not surprising that you elect to criticise someone who is prepared to invest in his/her future, rather than to get off your asses and make your own future.
You are under achievers.
Whilst I would have suggested he or she invest in more qualifications, such as ATPL, IREX, or Aviation Tertiary Qualification’s, rather than offer a cash bounty!!!...never the less, he or she is showing the initiative that will put that person ahead of that group that sits on their butt’s, and think the world owes them something.
Get real you loser’s.
Its interesting to note that most, if not all of you are CPL rather than ATPL.
Its not surprising that you elect to criticise someone who is prepared to invest in his/her future, rather than to get off your asses and make your own future.
You are under achievers.
Whilst I would have suggested he or she invest in more qualifications, such as ATPL, IREX, or Aviation Tertiary Qualification’s, rather than offer a cash bounty!!!...never the less, he or she is showing the initiative that will put that person ahead of that group that sits on their butt’s, and think the world owes them something.
Get real you loser’s.
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You must be in the giddy heights of management with an attitude like you have. Little wonder the industry is so screwed!! I hold ATPL, I do work and I've done some hard yards to get where I am without ever entertaining the notion of having to pay someone to employ me.
Slither back under your rock and do the rest of the industry a huge favour by disappearing up ya own A**!!!
You must be in the giddy heights of management with an attitude like you have. Little wonder the industry is so screwed!! I hold ATPL, I do work and I've done some hard yards to get where I am without ever entertaining the notion of having to pay someone to employ me.
Slither back under your rock and do the rest of the industry a huge favour by disappearing up ya own A**!!!
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My case rests.
Read the question and answer mate, then give a logical reply based on what I said. rather than what your circumstances maybe.
Wonder who operates 412's....mmmmm
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Read the question and answer mate, then give a logical reply based on what I said. rather than what your circumstances maybe.
Wonder who operates 412's....mmmmm
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It's not so long ago that law graduates had to do 2 years in industry as articled clerks before they could practice. They got a pitiful amount (a couple of grand a year) having potentially already done a 3 year degree course and a law college year (which they had to pay for). There was no way they could live on what they were paid but the firms didn't care.
This was when normal starting salaries were in the 7-10k area for graduates. It was law firms getting free labour from well educated staff. Why doesn't that surprise me!
The law firms believed they were being generous because the older staff (when they were articled clerks) had to do it for free!
Is it avoidable in a job where some people (early in their careers) just want to fly and don't care how they achieve it? They may already have spent 60k or more qualifying - another 10k might seem worth it. They are still dreaming that they will earn it back.
I don't agree with it and I don't think it should be allowed to happen, but unless legislation outlaws it there will always be people with money trying to get a leg up over everyone else.
In the UK they would have to be paid minimum wage when flying, but there's nothing to stop them stumping up 10k as a gift to their employer.
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This was when normal starting salaries were in the 7-10k area for graduates. It was law firms getting free labour from well educated staff. Why doesn't that surprise me!
The law firms believed they were being generous because the older staff (when they were articled clerks) had to do it for free!
Is it avoidable in a job where some people (early in their careers) just want to fly and don't care how they achieve it? They may already have spent 60k or more qualifying - another 10k might seem worth it. They are still dreaming that they will earn it back.
I don't agree with it and I don't think it should be allowed to happen, but unless legislation outlaws it there will always be people with money trying to get a leg up over everyone else.
In the UK they would have to be paid minimum wage when flying, but there's nothing to stop them stumping up 10k as a gift to their employer.
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From what I see, there are no rules in this game. You gotta be lucky and then even luckier !! You gotta be in the right place at the right time and then the right time at the right place ! Whatever you have to do to get on, then so be it. I hope the guy finds what he's looking for.
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Lets see where the lochart river investigation leads when it comes to wage levels with regard to the responsibilities of a PIC. Perhaps public opinion may deem that 20k isn't sufficient given what is at stake.
If the article clerk crosses a T instead of dotting the I does someone die?
Ignore high Nr he is winding you up
If the article clerk crosses a T instead of dotting the I does someone die?
Ignore high Nr he is winding you up
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Just be thankful that the 'Casting Couch' doesn't operate in this industry; otherwise we'd all be buggered.
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I can't see what the problems is........at today's exchange rate $10000 Aus is only worth about 20 quid 
It would cost you almost as much to buy your prospective new employer a pint in th UK...!
It would cost you almost as much to buy your prospective new employer a pint in th UK...!
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So what did the ad say?
Pilot vacancies.
Stupid Pilots needed.
Must have:
Deep pockets, preferably thick wallets, blond blue eyed, IQ at room temp and be prepared to go brown nose.
1000hr heli time
500 on type
or,
Heli pilot license and,
$20.000
I figured my good looks would do it for me but .......
My thoughts about this kind of business is that if the operators are this cheep, they aren't worth working for. This is definitely not the right way of getting your self employed!
High Nr
I know you're just a wind up and I shouldn't spend my time on you but, I would suggest you blow your a*** and think before you bark like a poodle at the people in this business who are really working very hard towards the same goal as this guy who is paying his way into a pilot seat!
Many of them shed sweat, blood and tears over it and you dare to call them underachievers!
I know people who have paid for their type ratings and some got the job but others didn't. I don't like it and never will. It is true that some may make it into a seat by paying for it but it isn't right.
I have thought about doing this myself but decided not to, even though I have the resources!
Pilot vacancies.
Stupid Pilots needed.
Must have:
Deep pockets, preferably thick wallets, blond blue eyed, IQ at room temp and be prepared to go brown nose.
1000hr heli time
500 on type
or,
Heli pilot license and,
$20.000
I figured my good looks would do it for me but .......
My thoughts about this kind of business is that if the operators are this cheep, they aren't worth working for. This is definitely not the right way of getting your self employed!
High Nr
I know you're just a wind up and I shouldn't spend my time on you but, I would suggest you blow your a*** and think before you bark like a poodle at the people in this business who are really working very hard towards the same goal as this guy who is paying his way into a pilot seat!
Many of them shed sweat, blood and tears over it and you dare to call them underachievers!
I know people who have paid for their type ratings and some got the job but others didn't. I don't like it and never will. It is true that some may make it into a seat by paying for it but it isn't right.
I have thought about doing this myself but decided not to, even though I have the resources!
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Seems to me that in the starch wing arena self funded type ratings are common place. Ryan air, Easy Jet, Go, etc.
Quite the scam for the operator
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Quite the scam for the operator
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Well it seems that my A***** is becoming a little crowed with folk trying to jam things there!
But seriously folk, get over it. For those that sit and jaw on, and expect that an owner would and should do your basic training for you, then good luck, you deserve the wait.
But for those that focus on what and where they want to be, and then tailor there own training, education and efforts towards those goals, then the under achievers have just been trodden on, and I can hear you squeal already.
Get over it.
It’s a Market Economy, not your Private Club!!
But seriously folk, get over it. For those that sit and jaw on, and expect that an owner would and should do your basic training for you, then good luck, you deserve the wait.
But for those that focus on what and where they want to be, and then tailor there own training, education and efforts towards those goals, then the under achievers have just been trodden on, and I can hear you squeal already.
Get over it.
It’s a Market Economy, not your Private Club!!