(Not) a good weekend for training!
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Although I strongly agree that it matters that everybody survived this accident, surely that isn't what really matters. Shouldn't somebody be doing more to identify what is really causing so many of these machines to have accidents and doing something to address the cause(s)?
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My comment was, of course, meant in context.
The safety record of the R22 and its suitability or otherwise for training, are amongst the most researched, discussed and controversial issues in the rotary world in recent years. We've had numerous, sometimes seemingly interminable, discussions here. Strong views are often expressed both ways, sometimes informed comments and sometimes not. I don't know, but I assume research continues.
Incidents/accidents aren't confined to the R22.
H
The safety record of the R22 and its suitability or otherwise for training, are amongst the most researched, discussed and controversial issues in the rotary world in recent years. We've had numerous, sometimes seemingly interminable, discussions here. Strong views are often expressed both ways, sometimes informed comments and sometimes not. I don't know, but I assume research continues.
Incidents/accidents aren't confined to the R22.
H
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Yes i agree glad no one was hurt, but could these accidents be avoided, how long dose this go on.
The R22 is a lovely helicopter, but as with all machines they will bite. when not respected and flown in the correct manor.
one more fine machine has been lost.
The R22 is a lovely helicopter, but as with all machines they will bite. when not respected and flown in the correct manor.
one more fine machine has been lost.
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Let's please not have another bout of hysteria about the R22 accident record.
The R22 is around in great numbers, and is frequently used for training, which will, of course, increase the risk of training accidents.
Yes, we're all glad that nobody was badly injured and, yes, it's a pity that another aircraft has ben written off, but Accidents do happen, often the causes can be determined and safety lessons learned. The R22 safety process was given impetus in the 1990s by the high accident rate for an aircraft which had brought helicopter flying within the budget of a lot of new people, was highly popular and being mass produced (at least in aviation terms!). Safety awareness, and modifcations such as the Governor, had a dramatic effect in reducing the incidence of mishaps.
Perhaps folk once said similar things about the accident rate for the Model-T Ford?
The R22 is around in great numbers, and is frequently used for training, which will, of course, increase the risk of training accidents.
Yes, we're all glad that nobody was badly injured and, yes, it's a pity that another aircraft has ben written off, but Accidents do happen, often the causes can be determined and safety lessons learned. The R22 safety process was given impetus in the 1990s by the high accident rate for an aircraft which had brought helicopter flying within the budget of a lot of new people, was highly popular and being mass produced (at least in aviation terms!). Safety awareness, and modifcations such as the Governor, had a dramatic effect in reducing the incidence of mishaps.
Perhaps folk once said similar things about the accident rate for the Model-T Ford?
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From: somewhere over the rainbow...
i presume the r22 was owned by by the local helicopter company there (Hields). Was it a lesson, or a solo. Who was the instructor if there was one aboard? Hope theyre both ok, the instructors up there are really friendly, had a lesson with one at christmas.
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ooops at Norwich
Seems to be a good weekend for this sort of thing... Glad my feet are back on the ground till Monday 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4589883.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4589883.stm
Hovering AND talking
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
I know the instructor and am so so glad he's OK. I possibly know the student and wish them all the best for a speedy recovery.
I also have over 100 hours in that Schweizer and was flying it yesterday.
Feeling shocked and stunned actually
I also have over 100 hours in that Schweizer and was flying it yesterday.
Feeling shocked and stunned actually
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Glad to see everyone is well which I think we can all agree is the most important thing.
If you teach regularly especially EOL's then you have a good chance of being caught out one day, fact of life the more you do it the more the risk of getting it wrong. Wonder how quick the posts will come in knocking the 300 as a training machine. I have known a few damaged in training accidents but somehow they never seem to attract the same number of posts.
If you teach regularly especially EOL's then you have a good chance of being caught out one day, fact of life the more you do it the more the risk of getting it wrong. Wonder how quick the posts will come in knocking the 300 as a training machine. I have known a few damaged in training accidents but somehow they never seem to attract the same number of posts.
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
TFS,
Captain L? I'm sorry but I know of whence I speak.
I do know the instructor and he was one of my instructors (and you'd be hard pushed to find a more experienced, qualified and likeable chap); the student wasn't who I thought it was. I have spoken with the Chief Pilot just now. Both the instructor and student are now OK; the student was discharged from hospital earlier.
Cheers
Whirls
Captain L? I'm sorry but I know of whence I speak.
I do know the instructor and he was one of my instructors (and you'd be hard pushed to find a more experienced, qualified and likeable chap); the student wasn't who I thought it was. I have spoken with the Chief Pilot just now. Both the instructor and student are now OK; the student was discharged from hospital earlier.
Cheers
Whirls
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
You mean to say there is more than one woman who flies a Schweizer, lives in Newbury, rides a Triumph Bonneville, is a Chartered Accountant and amateur musician? Well, I'll be bu$$ered - would love to meet up with her!!
Cheers
Whirls
Cheers
Whirls
