Helicopter Landing
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Helicopter Landing
Pilots,
just asking this question purely out of curiosity (i fly fixed wing aircraft) but what kind of radio calls or ATC procedure to Helicopters have to make to Land in Uncontrolled (G) airspace or in a Controlled/Radar CTA/CTZ? Say at an oval or someones backyard (with their permission of course!)
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just asking this question purely out of curiosity (i fly fixed wing aircraft) but what kind of radio calls or ATC procedure to Helicopters have to make to Land in Uncontrolled (G) airspace or in a Controlled/Radar CTA/CTZ? Say at an oval or someones backyard (with their permission of course!)
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To add to that: in uncontrolled airspace, I would usually call "Helicopter G-CDEF landing at a private site <location>". On departure, "Helicopter G-CDEF just lifted from private site <location> <destination> <service requested>" should do it.
In Class D, you would be strongly advised to call ATC by phone prior to lifting giving them your callsign, intentions and estimated lift time.
I once got a bollocking for not giving an RT call before lifting, even though just five minutes earlier the guy on the phone had told me to "call when airborne" - so be sure to agree exactly what they want you to do.
In Class D, you would be strongly advised to call ATC by phone prior to lifting giving them your callsign, intentions and estimated lift time.
I once got a bollocking for not giving an RT call before lifting, even though just five minutes earlier the guy on the phone had told me to "call when airborne" - so be sure to agree exactly what they want you to do.
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I once got a bollocking for not giving an RT call before lifting, even though just five minutes earlier the guy on the phone had told me to "call when airborne" - so be sure to agree exactly what they want you to do.
When I got back I was told they'd phoned up to complain...no, not about my crap radio usage, but about the fact I'd flown through the MATZ without talking to them!!!!!!! I never did figure out how they knew my callsign if I hadn't talked to them. 
Anyway, sorry for the digression....
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As I understand it, if the MATZ is class G you dont have to talk to them. You may want to but dont have to.
To fly, land and take off in class G you dont have to talk to anyone if you dont want to. Once you have made contact with a service you must close it before landing. I ususally do "G-XXXX at landing site, leaving frequency"
Grainger has it right.
To fly, land and take off in class G you dont have to talk to anyone if you dont want to. Once you have made contact with a service you must close it before landing. I ususally do "G-XXXX at landing site, leaving frequency"
Grainger has it right.
Gaseous - you don't have to acknowledge the dimensions of a MATZ (5nm/3000') in class G as it is a military structure but you must acknowledge the standard ATZ (2nm/2000') within it and frankly anyone penetrating a MATZ without talking to the controlling unit is asking for an airprox.
Grainger - I presume you would make your call on DEPCOM (122.95) as prescribed in the CAP when lifting in class G airspace.
Grainger - I presume you would make your call on DEPCOM (122.95) as prescribed in the CAP when lifting in class G airspace.
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Crab, I probably should have said a bit more strongly than you may "want" to speak to them. I operate from a private site under the eastern end of Warton's MATZ so am well aware of the perils.
My view on this is during working hours it is plain stupid to not talk to them and at other times it is best to check on frequency that they are not operating as they can operate at any time. Make sure you are squawking, preferably mode C, before you go anywhere near a MATZ. Incidently, Warton's ATC are brilliant for VFR flights.
My comment was aimed at whirly's post, in that provided you don't infringe the ATZ they have no legal right to bawl at you for transiting the MATZ non radio.
My view on this is during working hours it is plain stupid to not talk to them and at other times it is best to check on frequency that they are not operating as they can operate at any time. Make sure you are squawking, preferably mode C, before you go anywhere near a MATZ. Incidently, Warton's ATC are brilliant for VFR flights.
My comment was aimed at whirly's post, in that provided you don't infringe the ATZ they have no legal right to bawl at you for transiting the MATZ non radio.
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OK, to explain, I'm a member of the flying club at Sleap, and they have a kind of unwritten agreement with Shawbury that we'll talk to them; Shawbury's pretty crowded and they have a right not to like it if we don't. For that reason, I always would, and did. I didn't bother getting into the legality or otherwise of it - I was just amazed that after practically taking over the frequency, they could have thought I hadn't talked to them. The person who told me was just passing on the message anyway; it was a pretty minor bollocking.
As for talking to someone when you're landing off airfield, it makes sense to me. This is an overcrowded little island, and helicopter pilots are about to fly a circuit and land where no-one expects them to, in a machine that f/w piots can never see anyway. It may be anal, but it still makes sense.
As for talking to someone when you're landing off airfield, it makes sense to me. This is an overcrowded little island, and helicopter pilots are about to fly a circuit and land where no-one expects them to, in a machine that f/w piots can never see anyway. It may be anal, but it still makes sense.
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Daniel
being an Aussie you would know that they don't want us to talk on the radio in Class G airspace - no broadcasts. Airmanship has to prevail though.
Class C and D - just tell the tower where you are going (they may ask if they don't know where it is themselves) and they will give you a descent into the arear you want.
Pop in and ask the chaps at CareFlight (assuming you ARE at YBCG). They would do it daily.
being an Aussie you would know that they don't want us to talk on the radio in Class G airspace - no broadcasts. Airmanship has to prevail though.
Class C and D - just tell the tower where you are going (they may ask if they don't know where it is themselves) and they will give you a descent into the arear you want.
Pop in and ask the chaps at CareFlight (assuming you ARE at YBCG). They would do it daily.
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Class G Heli landing
Well as I am paying taxes, I think I am entitled the use their services as I wish, so sometimes yes, sometimes no.
In certain meteo conditions, I think its really usefull. Also if changing a lot between D and G-spaces.
Furthermore using it a more, makes you known, and in generally I found this very helpfull, especially if your the only one in their area.
Some of the older military trained professionals I know that switched to the civil probably do not agree, they prefer to do low level tactical flights and hate big brothers
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In certain meteo conditions, I think its really usefull. Also if changing a lot between D and G-spaces.
Furthermore using it a more, makes you known, and in generally I found this very helpfull, especially if your the only one in their area.
Some of the older military trained professionals I know that switched to the civil probably do not agree, they prefer to do low level tactical flights and hate big brothers
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I often fly to private site within Farnborough Radar coverage. I always call them when lifting even though I don't have to - simply because the airspace is always crowded with fixed wing and helis and you can't always look everywhere - they can ! The amount of times i've lifted, taken a good look out and above, and had to adjust my climb out due to conflicting traffic is considerable. You have to utilise every pair of eyes you can in GAville !
Tees - it's still in the CAA docs so I guess it is still used - I am also happy to be proved wrong - if there is another freq that civvy users utilise then I would like to promulgate it to my pilots to monitor when operating around private/civ sites.
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So how does anyone propose to use this new 135.47 frequency? Just really at sites where there are known to be a few acft operating? Who is going to normally listen out on box 2 in case someone happens to call lifting from a private site? In reality, not many I suspect.