ATT: Aussies and Kiwi's...
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ATT: Aussies and Kiwi's...
Gidday Mates,
A heads up for those considering having a go at the Canadian scene for work. The rednecks around here are hard at it and they have been petitioning the Human Resources Dept of the Government of Canada, to restrict or cease issuing WORK permits to foreign pilots.
It might be just an individual being an arsehole but the ramifications are that already one employer has mentioned the issue to me without my provocation.
If you are considering coming to Canada to work it would be prudent to make a few phonecalls and see how many of the employers would be willing to give you a letter requesting a work visa for you. This is just a letter of intent for them. They will have no liability or commitment to you; just that you might get a job with them should you be issued a visa at the border once you have your Canadian licence.
Canada is about $5000+ away from home, licence conversion, living and exchange rate loss. Think carefully and good luck guys...
Here is the opening comment on the thread that can be read at:
http://www.caaviation.com/forums/ind...showtopic=2040
Breaking news this good Monday morning.
Well I have some rather encouraging news from the Minister of HRDC's office after the matter was put to special committee in Ottawa on that matter of issuing work permits to foreigners when there are Canadians available for work.
After painstaking work over the last few months to assure the ministers office that HAC had no interests other than to serve its membership who provides "industry information or statistics that support permits or data that HRDC uses to make decisions will be stopped and the policy will be re-examined." In a nut shell the special committee (that is incidentally not controlled any more by the liberals as they are a minority government) Is in the short term forcefully recommending there will be an extended period of up to a year for both working holiday and regular permits, to assure that there are no Canadians available or that can be retrained for postings. I am extremely happy.
What it will mean is that more 100-hrs guys are going to get that break faster and previously and companies that won't hire " those that are not worth hiring" will be there only source.
It has cost me hundreds of dollars and numerous hours of work to get this matter to committee and finally the issue is being dealt with.
So with any hope there will be a vast improvement soon for those Canadians seeking employment, it also has reassured my faith a great deal in how our government works.
I ll also tell you that the feds where shocked at the type of self serving behavior of HAC, and where alarmed at the total lack of any form of association that could have dealt with this issue a long time ago.
So all is fair in love and war, and good luck to those guys looking for that big break, after all as Canadians we deserve and should expect that our needs and the the policy the governs the decisions of the Foreign WP unit works to our benefit and not the self serving interest of the Corporate bottom line.
Hurray for me! a Good for all hard working Canadians.
I expect one or two months before we start seeing results.
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A heads up for those considering having a go at the Canadian scene for work. The rednecks around here are hard at it and they have been petitioning the Human Resources Dept of the Government of Canada, to restrict or cease issuing WORK permits to foreign pilots.
It might be just an individual being an arsehole but the ramifications are that already one employer has mentioned the issue to me without my provocation.
If you are considering coming to Canada to work it would be prudent to make a few phonecalls and see how many of the employers would be willing to give you a letter requesting a work visa for you. This is just a letter of intent for them. They will have no liability or commitment to you; just that you might get a job with them should you be issued a visa at the border once you have your Canadian licence.
Canada is about $5000+ away from home, licence conversion, living and exchange rate loss. Think carefully and good luck guys...
Here is the opening comment on the thread that can be read at:
http://www.caaviation.com/forums/ind...showtopic=2040
Breaking news this good Monday morning.
Well I have some rather encouraging news from the Minister of HRDC's office after the matter was put to special committee in Ottawa on that matter of issuing work permits to foreigners when there are Canadians available for work.
After painstaking work over the last few months to assure the ministers office that HAC had no interests other than to serve its membership who provides "industry information or statistics that support permits or data that HRDC uses to make decisions will be stopped and the policy will be re-examined." In a nut shell the special committee (that is incidentally not controlled any more by the liberals as they are a minority government) Is in the short term forcefully recommending there will be an extended period of up to a year for both working holiday and regular permits, to assure that there are no Canadians available or that can be retrained for postings. I am extremely happy.
What it will mean is that more 100-hrs guys are going to get that break faster and previously and companies that won't hire " those that are not worth hiring" will be there only source.
It has cost me hundreds of dollars and numerous hours of work to get this matter to committee and finally the issue is being dealt with.
So with any hope there will be a vast improvement soon for those Canadians seeking employment, it also has reassured my faith a great deal in how our government works.
I ll also tell you that the feds where shocked at the type of self serving behavior of HAC, and where alarmed at the total lack of any form of association that could have dealt with this issue a long time ago.
So all is fair in love and war, and good luck to those guys looking for that big break, after all as Canadians we deserve and should expect that our needs and the the policy the governs the decisions of the Foreign WP unit works to our benefit and not the self serving interest of the Corporate bottom line.
Hurray for me! a Good for all hard working Canadians.
I expect one or two months before we start seeing results.
PS
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Steve & RB
Just to clarify: my question was not meant to be rhetorical. I am interested (18 Months from now) in doing some flying where the Southern Cross would figure prominently in the night sky in lieu of the Big Dipper. Is it possible for a Canadian to get work in Australia or New Zealand?
It does appear easy for non Canadians to get work in Canada; I have flown with pilots from just about every corner of the planet.
I have read the referenced post at CAAviation and while the author may have won the battle he may also have died on the battle field.
It may be a noble cause and he is quite passionate about it but he may be perceived by potential employers as a high maintenance item.
Just to clarify: my question was not meant to be rhetorical. I am interested (18 Months from now) in doing some flying where the Southern Cross would figure prominently in the night sky in lieu of the Big Dipper. Is it possible for a Canadian to get work in Australia or New Zealand?
It does appear easy for non Canadians to get work in Canada; I have flown with pilots from just about every corner of the planet.
I have read the referenced post at CAAviation and while the author may have won the battle he may also have died on the battle field.
It may be a noble cause and he is quite passionate about it but he may be perceived by potential employers as a high maintenance item.
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so Steve76
Lucky I did not take the carrot eh....I've learnt to believe all good things only last a while while the locals re adjust to the demand. Lucky for you, you're nearly one of them ehehe
How's the helmet situation coming along Mate?
Cheers
WLM
Lucky I did not take the carrot eh....I've learnt to believe all good things only last a while while the locals re adjust to the demand. Lucky for you, you're nearly one of them ehehe
How's the helmet situation coming along Mate?
Cheers
WLM
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Ther Canadian who wrote the thread about forign workers.....Mate you need to get a life! I bet your a useless pilot who hasnt been able to get a start and decided to make it hard for others!! Were all here to do a job make money and have fun....I dont care if Canadians come over to OZ good on them if they have the requirments for the job so be it.
I can understand why you wouldn't want kiwi's here..(kidding guys)
At the end of the day, I am sure if some Canadian employers thought the person was right for the job they would hire them over Aussies or Kiwis and it wouldnt matter!!
I can understand why you wouldn't want kiwi's here..(kidding guys)
At the end of the day, I am sure if some Canadian employers thought the person was right for the job they would hire them over Aussies or Kiwis and it wouldnt matter!!
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Yeesh! Man you guys are mean to me...
IHL: I think your opportunities are very good downunder. There is an S76 operation in the northern part of the North Island of NZ called Northland Emergency Services Trust (NEST) They are busy getting another 76 online and may need crews. In OZ try Helicopters Australia in Perth for work in Bass Strait and potentially Llyods... oops!, CHC for other stuff.
The big issue is whether anyone will take you seriously until you convert your licence. Then it is up to the company to prove they need you to the Aussie Government....Goodluck.
So, why do so many of us come to the Northern Hemisphere to work?
Well, as an example with no factual numbers.
USA - 200 million+ people, 5000 licences(?) 5000 helicopters.
CA - 20 Million people, 4000 licences, 3000 helicopters
OZ - 20 Million people, 4000 licences, 1500 helicopters
NZ - 3 Million people, 3000 licences, 500 helicopters.
...its just a matter of mathematics.
IHL: I think your opportunities are very good downunder. There is an S76 operation in the northern part of the North Island of NZ called Northland Emergency Services Trust (NEST) They are busy getting another 76 online and may need crews. In OZ try Helicopters Australia in Perth for work in Bass Strait and potentially Llyods... oops!, CHC for other stuff.
The big issue is whether anyone will take you seriously until you convert your licence. Then it is up to the company to prove they need you to the Aussie Government....Goodluck.
So, why do so many of us come to the Northern Hemisphere to work?
Well, as an example with no factual numbers.
USA - 200 million+ people, 5000 licences(?) 5000 helicopters.
CA - 20 Million people, 4000 licences, 3000 helicopters
OZ - 20 Million people, 4000 licences, 1500 helicopters
NZ - 3 Million people, 3000 licences, 500 helicopters.
...its just a matter of mathematics.
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Steve76(Heliport, his name is his user ok)!
As an Australian working in the offshore scene, I have
not heard of many experienced Pilots wishing to work
in Canada.
Guys that miss out on CHC and Bristow maybe( are you one)-
mmm..........................Esso
Why would a well paid(for Aus) Offshore captain(CHC, Bristow),
want to work in a freezing climate for Canadian dollars.
Aus CHC international guys have felt huge pay drops with the
devalued USD against the AUD- so I put it to you that
you are on of the few that couldn't cut it in Aus. Your
anti Bristow Aus thread was posted in Karratha a couple of
years ago- so you may as well stay put and battle it out with
CAAviation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for HA, well they are desperation employment-
and Esso should not go down as a longterm career goal.
Isn't that right Steve76, otherwise you should have a command
there.......
As an Australian working in the offshore scene, I have
not heard of many experienced Pilots wishing to work
in Canada.
Guys that miss out on CHC and Bristow maybe( are you one)-
mmm..........................Esso
Why would a well paid(for Aus) Offshore captain(CHC, Bristow),
want to work in a freezing climate for Canadian dollars.
Aus CHC international guys have felt huge pay drops with the
devalued USD against the AUD- so I put it to you that
you are on of the few that couldn't cut it in Aus. Your
anti Bristow Aus thread was posted in Karratha a couple of
years ago- so you may as well stay put and battle it out with
CAAviation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for HA, well they are desperation employment-
and Esso should not go down as a longterm career goal.
Isn't that right Steve76, otherwise you should have a command
there.......
UH OH!
Someone say something less than flattering about Bristow again....and into the affray leaps its defender....dukes up...feet dancing....making like Morehamehahlee him self....stick and jab!
Ease up laddy.....it ain't a perfect world and people have opinons counter to yours....ease up!
Limit your arguments to the issues....leave the messenger out of it.....you think his statement is offbase...prove him wrong....with facts and data please.
Rude and ugly belongs at the world's self proclaimed best helicopter only website....not here.
This is not some rough bar in the outback where the hardest head and quickest fists rule.....Makila...you must learn to give with the punches....leading with your nose and jaw is a bad move in this arena. I would think the swelling had not gone down just yet.....isn't it a bit tender just yet?
Someone say something less than flattering about Bristow again....and into the affray leaps its defender....dukes up...feet dancing....making like Morehamehahlee him self....stick and jab!
Ease up laddy.....it ain't a perfect world and people have opinons counter to yours....ease up!
Limit your arguments to the issues....leave the messenger out of it.....you think his statement is offbase...prove him wrong....with facts and data please.
Rude and ugly belongs at the world's self proclaimed best helicopter only website....not here.
This is not some rough bar in the outback where the hardest head and quickest fists rule.....Makila...you must learn to give with the punches....leading with your nose and jaw is a bad move in this arena. I would think the swelling had not gone down just yet.....isn't it a bit tender just yet?
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So Makila, seems you know everything...as usual. Just enlighten us all to your vast experience so we know we are listening to a true international superstar.
Why would you want to work for Bristows when they offer you another 5YRS as a copilot, working in butt **** Karatha going offshore on the same track, to the same platform, same island and back EVERY day. This on top of the 3500 platform landings and 1500hrs of previous S76 time? Reread the initial thread if that is not clear...
What IFR experience do they offer you? Quasi offshore IFR, perhaps an ARA on the odd occaision?
I failed to see the attraction and after they offered me the job for the 3rd time, the CP got rather pissy. Not my fault, I did not want the job. You are most welcome to it.
I've helped a couple of aussie mates into Canada including one who went into a command job on the 76 as well. He had nothing more than cojoe time at ESSO. It seems that out of the antipodeas the companies are very interested in developing younger talent. This undoubtably challenges your knowledge of the helicopter industry but everything I write is fact.
As for Canada. Well; after 3yrs CAPT on the 76 in a controlled IFR environment, including lots of off-field remote area op's, the blackest nights, worst winter weather, 2 trips to FSI and 4 more Command IF endorsements and a stint as a Training pilot doing 76 intials, I am now flying a beautiful AS350B2 on seismic in northern BC...... AND LOVING IT.
True the winters are ****ty and long but I remember the wet season to be very uncomfortable and few days of 40 deg C+ that were enjoyable.
Don't bash what you don't understand. Enjoy your 2 on, 2 off, 2 on, 2 off and living life for the retirement package. ESSO would be a great job if you want to live and do that for the rest of your life. Some of us don't...horses for courses.
Why would you want to work for Bristows when they offer you another 5YRS as a copilot, working in butt **** Karatha going offshore on the same track, to the same platform, same island and back EVERY day. This on top of the 3500 platform landings and 1500hrs of previous S76 time? Reread the initial thread if that is not clear...
What IFR experience do they offer you? Quasi offshore IFR, perhaps an ARA on the odd occaision?
I failed to see the attraction and after they offered me the job for the 3rd time, the CP got rather pissy. Not my fault, I did not want the job. You are most welcome to it.
I've helped a couple of aussie mates into Canada including one who went into a command job on the 76 as well. He had nothing more than cojoe time at ESSO. It seems that out of the antipodeas the companies are very interested in developing younger talent. This undoubtably challenges your knowledge of the helicopter industry but everything I write is fact.
As for Canada. Well; after 3yrs CAPT on the 76 in a controlled IFR environment, including lots of off-field remote area op's, the blackest nights, worst winter weather, 2 trips to FSI and 4 more Command IF endorsements and a stint as a Training pilot doing 76 intials, I am now flying a beautiful AS350B2 on seismic in northern BC...... AND LOVING IT.
True the winters are ****ty and long but I remember the wet season to be very uncomfortable and few days of 40 deg C+ that were enjoyable.
Don't bash what you don't understand. Enjoy your 2 on, 2 off, 2 on, 2 off and living life for the retirement package. ESSO would be a great job if you want to live and do that for the rest of your life. Some of us don't...horses for courses.
How many times can you do the exact same run....even multiple times in one day....before the novelty of straight and level gets exceedingly boring. We all have different likes and dislikes...and they change as our life needs change. I know a lot of guys that endured unpleasant work environments to do well for their families....and I admire them for having done it. Others labored away at extra duty work....doing the TC bit...the TRE/IRE thing....roamed the bases living out suitcases....filling in where ever the need was....and then only got shoved aside when it fit the outfit. An unnamed outfit lost a good pilot due to that and then turned around and hired a guy out of retirement for the same slot that was not available for the other guy....makes one wonder a bit.
Youngsters need more variety than merely trotting off to the rigs year after year.....that builds hours and expertise in limited applications but the fun of helicopter work comes when you can have a go at it all....longline, fire fighting, precision lifting, ag work, film work, mustering,wildlife capture....and all the other things that helicopters do. I cannot imagine having 95% of my flying being limited to one sector of the industry.....too much moss on my rock if that were to happen.
I know for a fact Aussies and Kiwi's are welcome where I work....most have a good sense of humour, a good work ethic....and are generally good sports. Our immigration laws present a bit of burden though.
Youngsters need more variety than merely trotting off to the rigs year after year.....that builds hours and expertise in limited applications but the fun of helicopter work comes when you can have a go at it all....longline, fire fighting, precision lifting, ag work, film work, mustering,wildlife capture....and all the other things that helicopters do. I cannot imagine having 95% of my flying being limited to one sector of the industry.....too much moss on my rock if that were to happen.
I know for a fact Aussies and Kiwi's are welcome where I work....most have a good sense of humour, a good work ethic....and are generally good sports. Our immigration laws present a bit of burden though.
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Mr Makila,
I have to say " Dont knock what you dont know". I am on Aussie overseas and have been for some time. I left a great flying job in Australia to broaden my flying experience and see the world, so to speak. It amuses me that you think us guys overseas cant cut it at home. I can tell you from personal experience that Canadian drivers are some of the best in the world. And it always boads well for me when I return home to Australia to have that foriegn experience. Same goes for guys coming from New Guinea or the middle east. In the grand scheme of things I think any exposure to different climates and topography can only be advantageous. Not to mention the operational variations we have. So maybe stop painting everyone with such a broard brush.
I have to say " Dont knock what you dont know". I am on Aussie overseas and have been for some time. I left a great flying job in Australia to broaden my flying experience and see the world, so to speak. It amuses me that you think us guys overseas cant cut it at home. I can tell you from personal experience that Canadian drivers are some of the best in the world. And it always boads well for me when I return home to Australia to have that foriegn experience. Same goes for guys coming from New Guinea or the middle east. In the grand scheme of things I think any exposure to different climates and topography can only be advantageous. Not to mention the operational variations we have. So maybe stop painting everyone with such a broard brush.
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Makila,
Id have to agree with STEVE76 and Auscan mate....ive not been fortunate enough to get to canada yet (may not ever) due to the fact of running a operation here, but ive a close mate who works in AB canada and comes home every XMAS he loves it he started flying R44'S there 5 years ago now hes doing logging in 212's cant be that bad surely! where do you get that experience here in OZ?.....
QUOTE {As an Australian working in the offshore scene, I have
not heard of many experienced Pilots wishing to work
in Canada.}
.....id suggest you talk to more people then!!...there are plenty of Aussies and Kiwis in canada!!!
Id have to agree with STEVE76 and Auscan mate....ive not been fortunate enough to get to canada yet (may not ever) due to the fact of running a operation here, but ive a close mate who works in AB canada and comes home every XMAS he loves it he started flying R44'S there 5 years ago now hes doing logging in 212's cant be that bad surely! where do you get that experience here in OZ?.....
QUOTE {As an Australian working in the offshore scene, I have
not heard of many experienced Pilots wishing to work
in Canada.}
.....id suggest you talk to more people then!!...there are plenty of Aussies and Kiwis in canada!!!
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I think it's good that Aussies & Kiwis can get into Canada to fly these days. From 1979 I spent 6 years flying for Okanagan & operated in Oz, India & Thailand but the Canadian government would not allow me to fly in Canada. Okanagan was told to train a local.
Of course we had several Canadians working in Oz without any problems!
Of course we had several Canadians working in Oz without any problems!
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And when some of the Aussies and Kiwi's decide its time to go home they find it a bit difficult to get work. There is quite a bit of anti sentiment back down under at the moment towards expats returning home with their worldly experiences.
Anyone else experienced this down under yet?
Anyone else experienced this down under yet?
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Cant say I agree with you aintsaying. Every trip home for me brings a little food to the table. I have to say it runs very hot and cold though. Its always nice to get back home, flying or not.
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Hot or Cold I aggree, most of the people I know have packed up and left Aussie and NZ for the expat life again. Its a real eye opener getting treated like that when you move back.
