Silverstone GP Heli Ops
Have to disagree with you oh mighty Moderator one!
Thought this forum would be quite useful in helping fellow pilots find freelance/perm employment, in addition to other means.
Can't see the harm in it.
Readers do not have to open the thread and, compared to the memory that is taken up with pics reminding professional pilots what an ac looks like.......
I'm afraid I have to agree with you that it's a petty he/she started with the unfortunate opening remarks.
My experience with this forum (for what it's worth) tends me to believe that jobs are obtained 3rd or 4th hand, from the odd tip-off here and there, but, mostly, from a personal rec from someone in the know!!
Forgotten the thread originators name already, shame they didn't post more often!
I'll PM them some recs as it's no skin off my nose.
Thought this forum would be quite useful in helping fellow pilots find freelance/perm employment, in addition to other means.
Can't see the harm in it.
Readers do not have to open the thread and, compared to the memory that is taken up with pics reminding professional pilots what an ac looks like.......
I'm afraid I have to agree with you that it's a petty he/she started with the unfortunate opening remarks.
My experience with this forum (for what it's worth) tends me to believe that jobs are obtained 3rd or 4th hand, from the odd tip-off here and there, but, mostly, from a personal rec from someone in the know!!
Forgotten the thread originators name already, shame they didn't post more often!
I'll PM them some recs as it's no skin off my nose.
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Nobody in their right mind will reply to a letter/CV from an unknown originator - The only truly tried and tested method is 'face time' Get yourself a copy of the BHAB booklet, phone a few companies and confirm the name of the Chief Pilot and/or Operations manager with the secretary and then pitch up and have a chat with them. Back that up later with a nice letter and CV plus a follow up phone call. I would forget about it this year as the charter business is too busy in the summer, I would wait until September and work on them throughout the winter for next year. Expect a knock back rate of around 95% and you’re in.....
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I have to agree that a polite thanks but no thanks is common courtesy. Unfortunately I know from first hand experience, having written to over 100+ operators in one mail-shot I got less than 50 replies - even one liners saying no thanks - and a number of the ignorant were fully fledge airlines.
Having said that, I did get a personal reply from a well known Egyptian shop owner in London..which boosted him in my estimation - I didn't expect a reply from him, but I got one.
Having said that, I did get a personal reply from a well known Egyptian shop owner in London..which boosted him in my estimation - I didn't expect a reply from him, but I got one.
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The no free advertising rule is a Prune rule so there's no use getting sarcastic with the Mods. The only time Technodumbo has posted is to ask for a job. If you read between the lines Heliport is saying contribute something to the forum AND be subtle and he'll do a Nelson. I know you contribute but your 'job wanted' post a few weeks ago was a straightforward Classified Ad complete with a link to your CV and was bound to be binned. It was'nt exactly subtle.
The no free advertising rule is a Prune rule so there's no use getting sarcastic with the Mods. The only time Technodumbo has posted is to ask for a job. If you read between the lines Heliport is saying contribute something to the forum AND be subtle and he'll do a Nelson. I know you contribute but your 'job wanted' post a few weeks ago was a straightforward Classified Ad complete with a link to your CV and was bound to be binned. It was'nt exactly subtle.
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Not generally a Rotary kinda guy, but am interested in all recruitment stuff (as I deal with it from the other side).
I have to stand up for the industry a bit. Pilots seem to forget that the operators in GA are generally small, where the admin staff tend to have about 15 roles (but without the time or pay, but that's another argument!)
I've posted this in Wannabees many times, I hope one day the message will get through! We receive about 20 speculative CV's a day despite being really clear on our website and in telephone conversations that we advertise vacancies on the website when they arise. To answer each one of these on a daily basis costs £4.00 in postage; which is small fry compared to the hour it would take to reply from someone who has more important things to deal with than unsolicited mail.
It's a really bad situation to be in, job hunting, but we've all been there. It just annoys me that we operators get slated for not replying to applications for jobs which don't exist and which haven't been asked for.
That said, one thing Wannabees came up with, which I thought was a grand idea, was to include a Stamped Postcard with a couple of tickboxes. a) Received? b) Any jobs? Yes/No c) On file? Yes/No, if yes, how long? d) Do you have a recruitment website? Yes/No, address? It solved the phone call for the applicant ("Did you receive my CV?") and meant that the person on the receiving end was happier to help (no or little cost to the operator).
If, of course, the Operator has asked for CV's and doesn't respond then that's not great. However, we've been there too and it was simply time rather than any economic argument.
I have to stand up for the industry a bit. Pilots seem to forget that the operators in GA are generally small, where the admin staff tend to have about 15 roles (but without the time or pay, but that's another argument!)
I've posted this in Wannabees many times, I hope one day the message will get through! We receive about 20 speculative CV's a day despite being really clear on our website and in telephone conversations that we advertise vacancies on the website when they arise. To answer each one of these on a daily basis costs £4.00 in postage; which is small fry compared to the hour it would take to reply from someone who has more important things to deal with than unsolicited mail.
It's a really bad situation to be in, job hunting, but we've all been there. It just annoys me that we operators get slated for not replying to applications for jobs which don't exist and which haven't been asked for.
That said, one thing Wannabees came up with, which I thought was a grand idea, was to include a Stamped Postcard with a couple of tickboxes. a) Received? b) Any jobs? Yes/No c) On file? Yes/No, if yes, how long? d) Do you have a recruitment website? Yes/No, address? It solved the phone call for the applicant ("Did you receive my CV?") and meant that the person on the receiving end was happier to help (no or little cost to the operator).
If, of course, the Operator has asked for CV's and doesn't respond then that's not great. However, we've been there too and it was simply time rather than any economic argument.
Hoverman and Heliport
Thanks for reminding me to look at 'PPRuNes's Terms and Conditions'...guess I should have done that before I posted!!
Can't complain with people sticking to the guidelines - can I.
Couldn't see the harm in one man advertising his thread-related skills but I quite agree, rules are rules.
As far as the pics of ac go.......Haven't quite reached the 'ac spotter' stage but I suppose I would think differently if my antiquated pc could cope with anything larger than a post-it:-)
Thanks for reminding me to look at 'PPRuNes's Terms and Conditions'...guess I should have done that before I posted!!
Can't complain with people sticking to the guidelines - can I.
Couldn't see the harm in one man advertising his thread-related skills but I quite agree, rules are rules.
As far as the pics of ac go.......Haven't quite reached the 'ac spotter' stage but I suppose I would think differently if my antiquated pc could cope with anything larger than a post-it:-)
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My humblest apologies. I've edited the post (only took about an hour - I'm getting better) to try to say what I meant the first time.
I confess, again humbly, that I did not read the Terms and Conditions in any detail when I registered, and would wager that I and EESDL are not the only ones to have been so lax.
As I said, I've been an interested reader for a while, and I was only doing what I've seen lots of others do. It never really crossed my mind that it was 'advertising' but of course you are correct, it is.
As for paying for an ad in Flight. Having read Daifly's post I cannot even begin to imagine that such a move would be succesful. Do you think the admin' staff who are snowed-under with CVs would trawl through magazines looking for staff?
No, I don't. So do what others do on this forum - be more subtle about it and contribute to discussions and there won't be a problem.
Heliport
My humblest apologies. I've edited the post (only took about an hour - I'm getting better) to try to say what I meant the first time.
I confess, again humbly, that I did not read the Terms and Conditions in any detail when I registered, and would wager that I and EESDL are not the only ones to have been so lax.
As I said, I've been an interested reader for a while, and I was only doing what I've seen lots of others do. It never really crossed my mind that it was 'advertising' but of course you are correct, it is.
As for paying for an ad in Flight. Having read Daifly's post I cannot even begin to imagine that such a move would be succesful. Do you think the admin' staff who are snowed-under with CVs would trawl through magazines looking for staff?
No, I don't. So do what others do on this forum - be more subtle about it and contribute to discussions and there won't be a problem.
Heliport
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As for the original post, i dont think there'll any spare pilot jobs going for silverstone this year. I know most, if not all, operators are severely down on pax numbers this year, so they all seem to be having to lose pilots rather than gain. Seems theres just a downturn in corporate spending this year. Not good for us tho!!
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Happy Landing !
Well if you will go and break it, what do you expect?...
Follow your engine's example and 'stop whining'
Returning to the thread, I hear it's all looking pretty lean on the Silverstone front. Shame really, cos last year was fun.
Follow your engine's example and 'stop whining'
Returning to the thread, I hear it's all looking pretty lean on the Silverstone front. Shame really, cos last year was fun.
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You have the manners of a pig
Thank you Captain.
How kind of you to take the trouble to write.
Hope your day improves.
Heliport
You have the manners of a pig
Thank you Captain.
How kind of you to take the trouble to write.
Hope your day improves.
Heliport
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I have a cousin who occasionally indulges himself by travelling to the Grand Prix in a helo, and he tells me he had difficulty booking a seat this year - his usual firm was fully booked and he had to go elsewhere. Unfortunately he doesn't know the names of the helo companies, but there must be one short of pilots somewhere.
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Apache at Silverstone?
The timetable for the British Grand Prix (here) included an "Apache Helicopter Fly Past" at 1600 today.
Anyone know whether it actually flew?
Being (a) local (b) sad and (c) not in posession of Silverstone tickets this year
I drove over to see whether I could at least spot the Apache doing it's stuff, but neither saw nor heard anything.
RC
Anyone know whether it actually flew?
Being (a) local (b) sad and (c) not in posession of Silverstone tickets this year
I drove over to see whether I could at least spot the Apache doing it's stuff, but neither saw nor heard anything.RC
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You didn't see or hear it? Obviously no-one's told you how stealthy this aircraft is.
Meanwhile, I saw a UH-60 today over North-East Essex. Where do they come from then?
Meanwhile, I saw a UH-60 today over North-East Essex. Where do they come from then?
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It'll be back.
I'm sure Thursday's visit was just target acquisition on behalf of Bernie & Max.
Wow - they've let an Apache out! That might have been a useful thing to do in GW II.......
I'm sure Thursday's visit was just target acquisition on behalf of Bernie & Max.
Wow - they've let an Apache out! That might have been a useful thing to do in GW II.......
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Hilico,
Where did that UH-60 come from? A factory in Connecticut, but we don't have time for that.....
Nick
(with apologies to the movie "Airplane":
"There's trouble in the cockpit!"
"What's that?"
"The room in the front where the pilots sit, but we don't have time for that."
"Surely there must be something we can do!"
"Don't call me Shirley."
Where did that UH-60 come from? A factory in Connecticut, but we don't have time for that.....
Nick
(with apologies to the movie "Airplane":
"There's trouble in the cockpit!"
"What's that?"
"The room in the front where the pilots sit, but we don't have time for that."
"Surely there must be something we can do!"
"Don't call me Shirley."
Rumour has it that the flypast was cancelled because the operators weren't sure whether or not the ac could cope in such a high 'electromagnetic' environment. It wasn't the datalink from the cars that concerned them but the radio being used in the burger van!
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Little snippet in my paper today, says that "the Army" have halved the re-fuelling time for Apaches, by using F1 pit-stop techniques.
Not sure if this has anything to do with the fly-past!!
Not sure if this has anything to do with the fly-past!!