Helicopter altitude records
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From: south of France
Anyone had the occasion to get in a mil mi 26 or mi 12 ?
i am an admirator on the ussr helicopters (kamov is great).
i missed the occasion to see 2 mi 26 operate on forest fires and i regret it.
i am an admirator on the ussr helicopters (kamov is great).
i missed the occasion to see 2 mi 26 operate on forest fires and i regret it.
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From: USA
I have looked over the Mi-26 and Mi-12 with the designers, and discussed them at some length. I would imagine they fly quite acceptably (seldom does handling differentiate helicopters in terms of fitness, IMHO). The really big birds have somewhat low maneuvering limits, a fact of life when structures get very large so that the basic vibrations of the fuselage (its natural modes) are low frequency and within Pilot Induced Oscillation range.
The Russian philosophy of design is to have short inspection, overhaul and retirement intervals, as a general rule, making the economics of operation maintenance intensive. Of course, the parts are quite inexpensive so the net cost to operate can be very low relative to western aircraft of similar payload.
The Russian philosophy of design is to have short inspection, overhaul and retirement intervals, as a general rule, making the economics of operation maintenance intensive. Of course, the parts are quite inexpensive so the net cost to operate can be very low relative to western aircraft of similar payload.
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From: USA
zeeoo,
I really do like some aircraft, because of the way they handle and lots of other attributes, but I find that stuff is not what makes folks buy or operate commercial machines. It is usually the payload, safety and maintenance ease that determine the winners in our industry.
Personally, I love the Gazelle, the S-67, the S-76, the BO-105, the BO-108 (never flew the EC-135, could be just as nice, I think), the Comanche and the Black Hawk (and its clone the S-92).
I really do like some aircraft, because of the way they handle and lots of other attributes, but I find that stuff is not what makes folks buy or operate commercial machines. It is usually the payload, safety and maintenance ease that determine the winners in our industry.
Personally, I love the Gazelle, the S-67, the S-76, the BO-105, the BO-108 (never flew the EC-135, could be just as nice, I think), the Comanche and the Black Hawk (and its clone the S-92).
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From: UK
It strikes me that the 60's, 70's and early 80's were the testing adventurous days for world records. I wonder why? My limited research into some of the above reflect this. Must have been exciting times!
It's difficult to understand why Fred North didn't ensure his world record was recorded for posterity. Because of this 'oversight' he will never be able to advertise this apparent achievement
It's difficult to understand why Fred North didn't ensure his world record was recorded for posterity. Because of this 'oversight' he will never be able to advertise this apparent achievement
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From: USA
TC,
It was a heady time! At Sikorsky, we had these programs in full development at the same time:
Black Hawk
Sea Hawk
CH-53E
S-76
XH-59A ABC
S-69 Rotor Systems Research Aircraft (RSRA)
All Composite Aircraft (ACAP)
It was a heady time! At Sikorsky, we had these programs in full development at the same time:
Black Hawk
Sea Hawk
CH-53E
S-76
XH-59A ABC
S-69 Rotor Systems Research Aircraft (RSRA)
All Composite Aircraft (ACAP)
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Cessna helicopter? world heli altitude record?
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From: daworld
Hi guys,
Have some Cessna Skyhook useless info for you all.
The CH-1B was a military version (known as the YH-41). Under the Military Assisstance Program, the Army bought 5 that were sent to Iran, and the Air Force bought 6 that went to Equador.
The Army themselves had 9 or 10 of them flying around, and 6 of these were bought back by Cessna, upgraded, and onsold as the Civilian CH-1C. The CH-1C was the first helicopter to receive FAA approval for operations in IFR weather.
But it is still ugly!!!!
Have some Cessna Skyhook useless info for you all.
The CH-1B was a military version (known as the YH-41). Under the Military Assisstance Program, the Army bought 5 that were sent to Iran, and the Air Force bought 6 that went to Equador.
The Army themselves had 9 or 10 of them flying around, and 6 of these were bought back by Cessna, upgraded, and onsold as the Civilian CH-1C. The CH-1C was the first helicopter to receive FAA approval for operations in IFR weather.
But it is still ugly!!!!
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From: australia
Originally Posted by NickLappos
Here is the site where Fred North talks about his high altitude flight.
http://www.fred-north.com/pages-frame/Biography-fr.html
Unfortunately for Fred, he fails to tell us how, with all his elaborate planning, he could forget to inform the FAI of his attempt, and how he could forget to bring along a sealed barograph. He also forgot to tell us how he knows he was at that high altitude. He told us in breathless prose everything else that he did that day, so I am left with the unfortunate belief that this was a publicity stunt, and not a legitimate altitude record.
If he is available, perhaps he could help us understand the omissions.
http://www.fred-north.com/pages-frame/Biography-fr.html
Unfortunately for Fred, he fails to tell us how, with all his elaborate planning, he could forget to inform the FAI of his attempt, and how he could forget to bring along a sealed barograph. He also forgot to tell us how he knows he was at that high altitude. He told us in breathless prose everything else that he did that day, so I am left with the unfortunate belief that this was a publicity stunt, and not a legitimate altitude record.
If he is available, perhaps he could help us understand the omissions.
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From: Downeast
Mt. McKinley Rescue by Hiller 12E in 1964
This is not an altitude record per se but did involve a piston powered helicopter.
Later the same day as Bading's evacuation to definitive medical care, May 20th, Link Luckett flew his Hiller helicopter, stripped of everything including the starter-battery, to 5200 meters (17060 feet) and extracted John Day. The next day he repeated this amazing feat to similarly rescue Pete Schoening at the same altitude.
I have seen a photo of Link taking off his boots prior to takeoff....to save even that few pounds of weight.
Later the same day as Bading's evacuation to definitive medical care, May 20th, Link Luckett flew his Hiller helicopter, stripped of everything including the starter-battery, to 5200 meters (17060 feet) and extracted John Day. The next day he repeated this amazing feat to similarly rescue Pete Schoening at the same altitude.
I have seen a photo of Link taking off his boots prior to takeoff....to save even that few pounds of weight.
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From: uk
Originally Posted by SASless
This is not an altitude record per se but did involve a piston powered helicopter.
Later the same day as Bading's evacuation to definitive medical care, May 20th, Link Luckett flew his Hiller helicopter, stripped of everything including the starter-battery, to 5200 meters (17060 feet) and extracted John Day. The next day he repeated this amazing feat to similarly rescue Pete Schoening at the same altitude.
I have seen a photo of Link taking off his boots prior to takeoff....to save even that few pounds of weight.
Later the same day as Bading's evacuation to definitive medical care, May 20th, Link Luckett flew his Hiller helicopter, stripped of everything including the starter-battery, to 5200 meters (17060 feet) and extracted John Day. The next day he repeated this amazing feat to similarly rescue Pete Schoening at the same altitude.
I have seen a photo of Link taking off his boots prior to takeoff....to save even that few pounds of weight.
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From: Port Townsend,WA. USA
Mt. McKinley Rescue
I remember a pilot that rescued a climber on the very top at 20,320 feet.
He told me that a full landing was impossible so he set the front skids on top and held a hover while the climber was loaded in.
His name was Buddy Woods of Palmer Alaska. He was later killed in a crash with his Dehavilland Caribou, I think it was, hauling fuel or cargo.
I remember a pilot that rescued a climber on the very top at 20,320 feet.
He told me that a full landing was impossible so he set the front skids on top and held a hover while the climber was loaded in.
His name was Buddy Woods of Palmer Alaska. He was later killed in a crash with his Dehavilland Caribou, I think it was, hauling fuel or cargo.
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From: Europe
A few weeks ago i was flight from Annemasse (LFLI) into the Mont-Blanc-Massiv (Top of Europe) with my B47-G3B1.
At 15’700ft i have stop climbing to avoid any Oxygen-Problems.
A hover-check HOGE with just 50kg below MTOW read out 400ft/min!!!
A few pictures find below.
www.adpro-ltd.ch/bilder/20060316megeve
At 15’700ft i have stop climbing to avoid any Oxygen-Problems.
A hover-check HOGE with just 50kg below MTOW read out 400ft/min!!!
A few pictures find below.
www.adpro-ltd.ch/bilder/20060316megeve