EC120
Joined: Jun 2004
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From: brighton
sycamore i think you are right lol. Go to a helicopter parts company and pay over the odds or go to the local scrappies and salvage a renault. Took a gazelle exhaust pipe to a renault dealer in france to be welded cost next to nothing to get done.
Cool as a moosp
Joined: Aug 2001
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From: Mostly Hong Kong
The price sounds about right compared to our quote in Australia and Singapore. I think you will find this includes a five year ammendment service, which begins to soften the blow.
Our operation has a manual for each pilot, kindly supplied by Eurocopter. They were generous and provided them as part of the contract. But at the end of the five years it might be difficult to convince the pilots to spend another, say 750 euro on the amendment service.
You can see the position of the manufacturers in this. They nickel and dime themselves on the sale price in the hope that they can make the profit in their service contracts and after sales.
Expensive but worth it is the answer. I have heard of photocopies of the EC120 flight manual going around, but shuuurley helicopter pilots as an honourable breed of mankind would not risk a problem with copyright and even consider such a dastardly deed?
Our operation has a manual for each pilot, kindly supplied by Eurocopter. They were generous and provided them as part of the contract. But at the end of the five years it might be difficult to convince the pilots to spend another, say 750 euro on the amendment service.
You can see the position of the manufacturers in this. They nickel and dime themselves on the sale price in the hope that they can make the profit in their service contracts and after sales.
Expensive but worth it is the answer. I have heard of photocopies of the EC120 flight manual going around, but shuuurley helicopter pilots as an honourable breed of mankind would not risk a problem with copyright and even consider such a dastardly deed?
Gatvol
Joined: Jun 2000
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From: KLAS/TIST/FAJS/KFAI
Helicam does not allow PMs nor Email. So I guess I will mention I have one for much less, however I dont know anyone named helicam so I guess I will keep it........
He must just want to moan on the forum...See if that gets me an email.......
He must just want to moan on the forum...See if that gets me an email.......
Joined: Aug 1999
Aviation Qualifications: ATP+Mil
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From: Gold Coast, Australia
Wait til you deal with the Japanese...
My BK117 came with Japanese manuals (Maintenance et al), but could we swap for English, prease? No worries, only $A17,000 
Upgrade to 117-B2, new Flight Manual needed, IIRC about $A4000. Apart from some expansions of performance graphs, the only difference to the -B1 manual were the page titles.
I quite like Mr Bell and his prices, especially as the MM's are free, all we have to pay for is the freight cost
What was that about copying? Honeywell now have a policy of retaining copyright on the LTS-101 manuals, so I have to pay them an annual fee of $US500 to use their manuals to maintain my bl**dy engines
Upgrade to 117-B2, new Flight Manual needed, IIRC about $A4000. Apart from some expansions of performance graphs, the only difference to the -B1 manual were the page titles.
I quite like Mr Bell and his prices, especially as the MM's are free, all we have to pay for is the freight cost
What was that about copying? Honeywell now have a policy of retaining copyright on the LTS-101 manuals, so I have to pay them an annual fee of $US500 to use their manuals to maintain my bl**dy engines
Joined: Jun 2001
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From: Europe
EC published the whole FM, Trainings Manual and Operation Manual Stuff regularly on a CD with an own starting program, some videos and background info's. Really nice! The disk is much cheaper than the "paperwork".
Fucum Lesgo
Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Waterworld
Take a looky see here guys,
http://search.ebay.com/helicopters_W0QQfromZR8QQfrtsZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1
All sorts of manuals turn up on ebay,
it may be of help, maybe not, but its sometimes worth checking out.
All the Best,
Micky
http://search.ebay.com/helicopters_W0QQfromZR8QQfrtsZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1
All sorts of manuals turn up on ebay,
it may be of help, maybe not, but its sometimes worth checking out.
All the Best,
Micky
Cool as a moosp
Joined: Aug 2001
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From: Mostly Hong Kong
Fitting the Floats
A question on fitting the floats for those of you who have done this.
There is a strap kit to hold the floats in their up position when the wheels are fitted for ground handling. Has anyone tried opening out the hole in the fuselage eyelet so that the pip-pin that locates the floats onto the skids will fit in the eyelet? It looks like about a mm will do, then you can support the floats on the pin when they are in the up position.
This should save the complication and cost of the strap kit.
Many thanks for any extra advice on the floats is also appreciated. (Apart from don't get in a situation where you have to use them...)
There is a strap kit to hold the floats in their up position when the wheels are fitted for ground handling. Has anyone tried opening out the hole in the fuselage eyelet so that the pip-pin that locates the floats onto the skids will fit in the eyelet? It looks like about a mm will do, then you can support the floats on the pin when they are in the up position.
This should save the complication and cost of the strap kit.
Many thanks for any extra advice on the floats is also appreciated. (Apart from don't get in a situation where you have to use them...)
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 80
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From: canada
looking for help with my job description
with a new ship,Human resources asked what the ec120 is like compared to a 206 or a 500.I need to describe what the ship is like technically etc with the vemd being advanced technology, etc,so I thought I postb it here to get anyones opinion...
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From: mostly in the jungle...
lamanated,
ec120 cruises faster than any 206, has no center column to block rear pax view, is about a 35 year more modern aircraft, has a cavern as a luggage space (compared to the 206, 500 doesn't have any at all) 120 will outperform a 206 everywhere up to about 4500 ft, then it gets tight, 5500 and the multistage compressor of the Allison Turbine (ups....RR!) takes the lead again.
If your job is not cargo or police or anything very specific forget the 500! MD is also in financial trouble (or did Sikorsky already assimilate Hughes/MD ?)
If your main job is VIP/corporate/tourism take the 120 hands down.
Even if EC is sometimes a little peculiar with their service you hardly ever will need them. Generally the bird is a very trouble free machine! VEMD is nice as you don't have to watch 3 different gauges will really helps when flying in close quarters or at the redline. Overlimit indications have a huge tolerance ( warning comes way before anything registers on the VEMD flightreport system). This feature is also VERY nice if you are not the only pilot! A quick look in the flight log before you take the machine out will confirm if anyone went over any limits lately!
Make sure the helicopter is well track+balanced and rotor rpm at the upper limit at max cruise and you will be happy! (There was a recent service letter to adjust the Rotor rpm to coincide with the resonance dampers under the floor. Best results are as mentioned above, max cruise power - rrpm 412-413)
3top
ec120 cruises faster than any 206, has no center column to block rear pax view, is about a 35 year more modern aircraft, has a cavern as a luggage space (compared to the 206, 500 doesn't have any at all) 120 will outperform a 206 everywhere up to about 4500 ft, then it gets tight, 5500 and the multistage compressor of the Allison Turbine (ups....RR!) takes the lead again.
If your job is not cargo or police or anything very specific forget the 500! MD is also in financial trouble (or did Sikorsky already assimilate Hughes/MD ?)
If your main job is VIP/corporate/tourism take the 120 hands down.
Even if EC is sometimes a little peculiar with their service you hardly ever will need them. Generally the bird is a very trouble free machine! VEMD is nice as you don't have to watch 3 different gauges will really helps when flying in close quarters or at the redline. Overlimit indications have a huge tolerance ( warning comes way before anything registers on the VEMD flightreport system). This feature is also VERY nice if you are not the only pilot! A quick look in the flight log before you take the machine out will confirm if anyone went over any limits lately!
Make sure the helicopter is well track+balanced and rotor rpm at the upper limit at max cruise and you will be happy! (There was a recent service letter to adjust the Rotor rpm to coincide with the resonance dampers under the floor. Best results are as mentioned above, max cruise power - rrpm 412-413)
3top
Last edited by 3top; 8th March 2005 at 21:19.
Joined: Apr 2004
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From: canada
We have had 500's for 20 yrs,and I need to tell the company why this aircraft should qualify me as a different pay scale etc whereas it is as complex as what a technician making 15K more than me working on air conditioners and heaters gets here..