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As it seems this good thread is able to wander a little, consider this, I have been throught my life a typical Bloke, Cricket, Rugby too much booze and when younger a little flirtatious with the good looking gals, I worked in a very Macho industry where Girls and women were the one's who scribbled on note pads and brought you the drinks and looked as good as they could, at the Cricket matches the girls and wives would be firmly attached to the tea tent, and the rugby was just the same.
When I started to learn about flying a heli, my instructor was horror of horrors a WOMAN!, I felt distinctly humbled from the very first minute of the learning process, for here was a nice looking gal, good sense of humour, but precise with everthing she was instructing me on, she was persistence personified, if I did something wrong , she made me do it again, and again and again until I finally got it right, nothing was every done to what would be called " well if thats your best" it had to be spot on,
Probably will make me sound odd, but that Lady flying instructor gave me a new vision of women in general, I now find that I have much more respect and tolerance of the fairer sex, and when I meet them(women that is) in business circles I spend more time listening to them than I did in my pre flying days.
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When I started to learn about flying a heli, my instructor was horror of horrors a WOMAN!, I felt distinctly humbled from the very first minute of the learning process, for here was a nice looking gal, good sense of humour, but precise with everthing she was instructing me on, she was persistence personified, if I did something wrong , she made me do it again, and again and again until I finally got it right, nothing was every done to what would be called " well if thats your best" it had to be spot on,
Probably will make me sound odd, but that Lady flying instructor gave me a new vision of women in general, I now find that I have much more respect and tolerance of the fairer sex, and when I meet them(women that is) in business circles I spend more time listening to them than I did in my pre flying days.
PeterR-B
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Well said the Whirlies.
Warms yer cockles, so it does.
ShyTorque
I don't do those things because she is a lady, I do them because I try to be a gentleman.
Warms yer cockles, so it does.
ShyTorque
On the other hand, they still get miffed if a door isn't held open for them, we don't notice the slightly different shade of lipstick or new jumper they're wearing, or we don't always volunteer to do the dirty jobs such as car oil changes or unblock the sink, or we don't understand when "It just IS, alright".
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Door opening
It shouldn't be just because we are women. You should ( we ALL should) open doors for other people be they male, female, old, infirm, disabled because you have manners and were well brung up.
ShyTorque.
If you don't notice the new lippy or jumper, then the get out is "you look lovely/gorgeous/beautiful". Say this at most opportunities but not ALL the time.
Women know what they want. They want a man to be ruggedly handsome, devilishly charming, intelligent and sophisticated, witty, well-mannered and consideration, kind, gentle, able to talk about their feelings and emotions, be able to rescue small kittens from tree tops, rustle up a gourmet, candle-lit supper for two, be practical with woodwork and machinery as well as .......
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Whirlygig
ShyTorque.
If you don't notice the new lippy or jumper, then the get out is "you look lovely/gorgeous/beautiful". Say this at most opportunities but not ALL the time.
Women know what they want. They want a man to be ruggedly handsome, devilishly charming, intelligent and sophisticated, witty, well-mannered and consideration, kind, gentle, able to talk about their feelings and emotions, be able to rescue small kittens from tree tops, rustle up a gourmet, candle-lit supper for two, be practical with woodwork and machinery as well as .......
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as well as .......
Incidentally, I hold doors open for all kinds of people! Doesn't matter who the are! Nobody appreciates having a door smack them in the face!!
WGS
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Got it in one WGS
...as well as fly helicopters
And we are now back to the start of the thread with reference to that sensitive thing between the legs which only requires a delicate touch
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Whirlygig
...as well as fly helicopters
And we are now back to the start of the thread with reference to that sensitive thing between the legs which only requires a delicate touch
Cheers
Whirlygig
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ShyTorque.
If you don't notice the new lippy or jumper, then the get out is "you look lovely/gorgeous/beautiful". Say this at most opportunities but not ALL the time.
Women know what they want. They want a man to be ruggedly handsome, devilishly charming, intelligent and sophisticated, witty, well-mannered and consideration, kind, gentle, able to talk about their feelings and emotions, be able to rescue small kittens from tree tops, rustle up a gourmet, candle-lit supper for two, be practical with woodwork and machinery as well as .......
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Aah, thanks, now I know why she loves me...
ShyTorque.
If you don't notice the new lippy or jumper, then the get out is "you look lovely/gorgeous/beautiful". Say this at most opportunities but not ALL the time.
Women know what they want. They want a man to be ruggedly handsome, devilishly charming, intelligent and sophisticated, witty, well-mannered and consideration, kind, gentle, able to talk about their feelings and emotions, be able to rescue small kittens from tree tops, rustle up a gourmet, candle-lit supper for two, be practical with woodwork and machinery as well as .......
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Aah, thanks, now I know why she loves me...
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Oh guys, I can't believe this is the case. Are you sure that this isn't tabloid scaremongering?
One of my colleagues took offense at it and instead of coming to talk to me (or my boss) about it, he or she went to HR. Said picture was removed forthwith and I was "counseled" for having created a hostile workplace, bad mark placed in my personnel file, etc.
OFBSLF
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"One of my colleagues took offense at it and instead of coming to talk to me (or my boss) about it, he or she went to HR. Said picture was removed forthwith and I was "counseled" for having created a hostile workplace, bad mark placed in my personnel file, etc."
That is normal in the U.S. workplace. Too bad you still cant just go and kick the
out of folks like that. They were obviously Democrats. All the Attaboys in the world do not count when you get one Aw in your file. I had quite a lot.
That is normal in the U.S. workplace. Too bad you still cant just go and kick the
out of folks like that. They were obviously Democrats. All the Attaboys in the world do not count when you get one Aw in your file. I had quite a lot.
You should ( we ALL should) open doors for other people be they male, female, old, infirm, disabled because you have manners and were well brung up.
Anyway, must close now as I had a busy day shopping for presents for Mrs JAFOs birthday, looking after kids and cooking dinner. I must get some beauty sleep before going off to rescue kittens from tree tops (from the skids of the helicopter) tomorrow morning.
(How am I doing?)
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Women know what they want. They want a man to be ruggedly handsome, devilishly charming, intelligent and sophisticated, witty, well-mannered and consideration, kind, gentle, able to talk about their feelings and emotions, be able to rescue small kittens from tree tops, rustle up a gourmet, candle-lit supper for two, be practical with woodwork and machinery as well as .......
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Two items to add this discussion:
One of the lady pilots I worked with at Transport Canada was married to a pilot for the RCMP - when I found this out, I commented to her that I hadn't known her husband was a pilot too. Her immediate reply was - "most of my female pilot friends are either single or married to pilots"- further discussion revealed that it appeared that most men didn't want to be married to someone who might be more technically competent than they were.
Second interesting point was in discussion with a very attractive female flight test engineer. My question was whether she had ever had experienced hassles working in what is an even more male domnated evironment (flight testing fast jet aircraft). Her comment was 'Only from those who are insecure'. Says it all.
One of the lady pilots I worked with at Transport Canada was married to a pilot for the RCMP - when I found this out, I commented to her that I hadn't known her husband was a pilot too. Her immediate reply was - "most of my female pilot friends are either single or married to pilots"- further discussion revealed that it appeared that most men didn't want to be married to someone who might be more technically competent than they were.
Second interesting point was in discussion with a very attractive female flight test engineer. My question was whether she had ever had experienced hassles working in what is an even more male domnated evironment (flight testing fast jet aircraft). Her comment was 'Only from those who are insecure'. Says it all.
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Shawn,
When I tell guys outside aviation that I'm a helicopter instructor they tell me I'm interesting, fascinating, and different......then they run very fast and very far in the other direction.
When I tell guys outside aviation that I'm a helicopter instructor they tell me I'm interesting, fascinating, and different......then they run very fast and very far in the other direction.
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Luckily my husband is a pilot too... and as it happens he's qualified for his PPL(H) before me, so I haven't dented his fragile ego! However when I got a higher Mark in one of my exams he was a bit miffed! lol!
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How do you know if you have a helicopter pilot at your party?
Don't worry, she'll tell you!
Sorry Blind - can't help it any more than I can help talking with my hands.
Cheers
Whirlygig
Don't worry, she'll tell you!
Sorry Blind - can't help it any more than I can help talking with my hands.
Cheers
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Actually it is the same for me, I start off not meaning to say it then always do in the end!!!!
People either don't beleive me which I find amusing, or ask really boring questions.
People either don't beleive me which I find amusing, or ask really boring questions.
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Not a heli-related story but with the increasing use of simulators in the rotary world, may I relate this.
23.00 sign on for a simulator check duty. One male, 50 years old, one checkee, female late twenties. This woman is on notification (i.e. has competence problems) and so this is a detail that will affect the future of her career.
The check captain provides his normal training input for a pilot in this situation, in this airline. That is, he busts his guts to enable him to give a pass rating. Checkee does not provide a suitable standard, so is debriefed appropriately and a fail is awarded.
Two days later a phone call invites check captain to tea and biccies. Informed that personel department have started an inquiry into the sexual harassment charges (detailed and graphic) against him. Training manager does a Pontious Pilate and washes his hands of the affair to personel.
One particular personal manager, against his directors wishes defends the check captain and suggests that this will not wear in court. Checkee backs off, all seems sweetness and light.
Now the twist. This check captain had watched the medical profession and seen how a male doctor will always require a female in the room when carrying out an examination on a woman. So he had activated the in-sim video and taken the tape home. It shows a normal training and checking session, with no inappropriate actions.
What to do? Counter sue, with the video in hand, or be counter- counter sued by the company for stealing company copywrite, ie the video?
I might add that this company has now effected a rostering system so that no male check pilot will be on his own with a female trainee/checkee in the simulator.
Sometimes I wish for the simpler days of honour and integrity, when managers would believe in you before the rest of the world.
23.00 sign on for a simulator check duty. One male, 50 years old, one checkee, female late twenties. This woman is on notification (i.e. has competence problems) and so this is a detail that will affect the future of her career.
The check captain provides his normal training input for a pilot in this situation, in this airline. That is, he busts his guts to enable him to give a pass rating. Checkee does not provide a suitable standard, so is debriefed appropriately and a fail is awarded.
Two days later a phone call invites check captain to tea and biccies. Informed that personel department have started an inquiry into the sexual harassment charges (detailed and graphic) against him. Training manager does a Pontious Pilate and washes his hands of the affair to personel.
One particular personal manager, against his directors wishes defends the check captain and suggests that this will not wear in court. Checkee backs off, all seems sweetness and light.
Now the twist. This check captain had watched the medical profession and seen how a male doctor will always require a female in the room when carrying out an examination on a woman. So he had activated the in-sim video and taken the tape home. It shows a normal training and checking session, with no inappropriate actions.
What to do? Counter sue, with the video in hand, or be counter- counter sued by the company for stealing company copywrite, ie the video?
I might add that this company has now effected a rostering system so that no male check pilot will be on his own with a female trainee/checkee in the simulator.
Sometimes I wish for the simpler days of honour and integrity, when managers would believe in you before the rest of the world.
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Sometimes I wish for the simpler days of honour and integrity, when managers would believe in you before the rest of the world.
Its a sad indictment on society when we have to go to these lengths.
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