NBC attempts heli hijack / Terrorist threat to helicopters
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...and what gives a journalist the right to "test the system"? Is anybody allowed to "test the system" without reprecussions? Can I try to take my super-size toenail clippers on an airliner "just to see if they're checking"?
Being a journalist does not give you license to perform illegal acts in the name of "exposing the truth". Especially since NBC isn't interested in bettering our society. They're only interested in bettering their bottom line.
Being a journalist does not give you license to perform illegal acts in the name of "exposing the truth". Especially since NBC isn't interested in bettering our society. They're only interested in bettering their bottom line.
I take it Flingwing and Diethelm are unemployed?
They seem to be taking a great chunk out of these journalists for working!
Not defending how they worked, the style was wrong and I have already said that, but I assumed that most posters 'are PAID by a COMMERCIAL ***** company to generate PROFIT to attract CONSUMERS who will ........ bring in the $$$$$ to keep them in BUSINESS!'
We all do different jobs and in many cases would not do the job of many we know [for instance I do not fancy either skydiving or sewerage as jobs] but we each have 'slots' that suit us.
I thought the argument was about whether we all have a duty to assess the system. Test may be a little too imotive but certainly the TV company went that far in their belief.....
If you were sitting in an airport and you saw someone put what appeared to be a gun in their bag what would you do ?
Nothing?
At what point do you take no part in the game of security?
When I retired from being a policeman did I cease to care just because I have a new job with no direct security implications?
I have no direct answer that fits everyone, again its for the individual.
As for the toenail clippers etc... there is a big bin full of them at most airports... were they testing the system or did they just forget?
They seem to be taking a great chunk out of these journalists for working!
Not defending how they worked, the style was wrong and I have already said that, but I assumed that most posters 'are PAID by a COMMERCIAL ***** company to generate PROFIT to attract CONSUMERS who will ........ bring in the $$$$$ to keep them in BUSINESS!'
We all do different jobs and in many cases would not do the job of many we know [for instance I do not fancy either skydiving or sewerage as jobs] but we each have 'slots' that suit us.
I thought the argument was about whether we all have a duty to assess the system. Test may be a little too imotive but certainly the TV company went that far in their belief.....
If you were sitting in an airport and you saw someone put what appeared to be a gun in their bag what would you do ?
Nothing?
At what point do you take no part in the game of security?
When I retired from being a policeman did I cease to care just because I have a new job with no direct security implications?
I have no direct answer that fits everyone, again its for the individual.
As for the toenail clippers etc... there is a big bin full of them at most airports... were they testing the system or did they just forget?
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Terrorists of Middle Eastern descent
What if a suspected terrorist is not of Middle Eastern descend? I believe there are crazies running around, othern than d... dwellers, desiring to shake up the system. How easy would it be to identify those folks? It sounds absurd but I think every FBO, operator, charter company, etc would have to install a screening facility like those at major airports. Remember a while back when the helicopter got hijacked in France to pull out a prisoner. Who checked those folks. We have to be more careful/cautious regardless of race and color.
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This is typically 'American' double standards
There was an attempted hijacking - fact
Arrests were made - fact
Because those arrested were journalists (sk) they were released - fact
Why in God's name weren't these terrorists taken to court and given a 40 year prison sentance. I'll tell you why - because they said they were 'Americans'.
Had this incident occurred by other press/media from another country George would have attacked that country to rid the world of those terrorists. Wouldn't he?
Terrorist attacks either for real or not should carry a 40 year sentance with no reprieve and no under the counter deals.
There was an attempted hijacking - fact
Arrests were made - fact
Because those arrested were journalists (sk) they were released - fact
Why in God's name weren't these terrorists taken to court and given a 40 year prison sentance. I'll tell you why - because they said they were 'Americans'.
Had this incident occurred by other press/media from another country George would have attacked that country to rid the world of those terrorists. Wouldn't he?
Terrorist attacks either for real or not should carry a 40 year sentance with no reprieve and no under the counter deals.
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Reporters are supposed to REPORT news. I've seen camera crews hand peaceful folks in starving countries $100 to start a fire in the street and act rebellious for the cameras... it is sickening. TSA, FAA, and other authorities have the sole authority for validating the efficacy of security measures.
Head Turner....
We will accept your apology...it was Bill Clinton that went around ordering up bombings....Georgie sends in the troops by the hundreds of thousands...I like many of my countrymen would like to see a culling of the current crop of reporters....both American and British from the Bush Bashing Company.
We will accept your apology...it was Bill Clinton that went around ordering up bombings....Georgie sends in the troops by the hundreds of thousands...I like many of my countrymen would like to see a culling of the current crop of reporters....both American and British from the Bush Bashing Company.
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PANews:
How do you come to the conclusion that I am unemployed? What is your basis? What type of police officer were you that allowed you to jump to conclusions without fact or basis?
I am confused.
Diethelm
How do you come to the conclusion that I am unemployed? What is your basis? What type of police officer were you that allowed you to jump to conclusions without fact or basis?
I am confused.
Diethelm
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Nick, as usual, hits the bull’s-eye on his first shot.
Diethelm, your idea would be wonderful, except that organizations that make a buck by dragging others through the muck have lawyers on staff to deal with just such eventualities. I assume Fostaire is like many, a fairly small company, some dozen(s) employees, worth maybe a dozen million US, and not doing anything like a dot-com company on return on investment.. Against that are the resources of NBC, worth I don’t know how many billions, plus of course the other members of the muck-raking community who stand to lose just as much as NBC. The case, if one can be made, will be stalled by clever lawyer tactics for years, until Fostaire goes bankrupt over legal fees. Depressing, but a story that’s been told before, many times.
PANews, from your views I have to doubt that you’re part of, or know, the civilian helicopter industry. Most companies are quite small, and even if quite well-run, do not generate a lot of profit. One bad year can easily wipe them out. If these two had succeeded in their intent, they would have received a pat on the back from the producer, and their name on the closing credits. Yippee. For Fostaire, the consequences would have been an enormous amount of bad publicity, plus the FAA and TSA would have been on them like a cheap suit; they’d have to be seen to be doing something, it was on prime time after all. I think it’s better than even money Fostaire would have had to close up shop. Everyone out on the street, all the work you put into the company for naught, all for a TV show.
Well, most of us here either are, or have many friends who are, in just such circumstances. We know how close they, and with them, many others in similar companies, came to losing their livelihoods. And when you think “there but for the grace of God and the alertness of those folks at Fostaire go I”, it makes you mad.
To the good people at Fostaire: thank you for a HUGE service you did for our whole industry.
To the two journos: maybe time to take some Taekwondo lessons. If you ever run into a helicopter pilot or mechanic in a dark alley, you’re probably going to need some expensive dentistry.
Diethelm, your idea would be wonderful, except that organizations that make a buck by dragging others through the muck have lawyers on staff to deal with just such eventualities. I assume Fostaire is like many, a fairly small company, some dozen(s) employees, worth maybe a dozen million US, and not doing anything like a dot-com company on return on investment.. Against that are the resources of NBC, worth I don’t know how many billions, plus of course the other members of the muck-raking community who stand to lose just as much as NBC. The case, if one can be made, will be stalled by clever lawyer tactics for years, until Fostaire goes bankrupt over legal fees. Depressing, but a story that’s been told before, many times.
PANews, from your views I have to doubt that you’re part of, or know, the civilian helicopter industry. Most companies are quite small, and even if quite well-run, do not generate a lot of profit. One bad year can easily wipe them out. If these two had succeeded in their intent, they would have received a pat on the back from the producer, and their name on the closing credits. Yippee. For Fostaire, the consequences would have been an enormous amount of bad publicity, plus the FAA and TSA would have been on them like a cheap suit; they’d have to be seen to be doing something, it was on prime time after all. I think it’s better than even money Fostaire would have had to close up shop. Everyone out on the street, all the work you put into the company for naught, all for a TV show.
Well, most of us here either are, or have many friends who are, in just such circumstances. We know how close they, and with them, many others in similar companies, came to losing their livelihoods. And when you think “there but for the grace of God and the alertness of those folks at Fostaire go I”, it makes you mad.
To the good people at Fostaire: thank you for a HUGE service you did for our whole industry.
To the two journos: maybe time to take some Taekwondo lessons. If you ever run into a helicopter pilot or mechanic in a dark alley, you’re probably going to need some expensive dentistry.
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I still don't see how anyone can state that there was in fact an attempted hijacking. From what I read, there were no threats, just some legal items in luggage. Having a knife in ones pocket or backpack is not the same thing as attempting a hijacking. Those items are not prohibited on a charter aircraft, only on a scheduled passenger airliner.
I'm not happy about the attempt to get a sensational story, but get real, people. The law is still the law, and as far as I can see none were broken, whether the individuals were journalists or not, nor does it matter who they worked for, be it BBC, NBC, or the Fox Entertainment Channel. You shouldn't be allowed to put people in prison just because you don't like what they may have done. However, if our AG has his way, he will start doing just that as soon as he can.
I'm not happy about the attempt to get a sensational story, but get real, people. The law is still the law, and as far as I can see none were broken, whether the individuals were journalists or not, nor does it matter who they worked for, be it BBC, NBC, or the Fox Entertainment Channel. You shouldn't be allowed to put people in prison just because you don't like what they may have done. However, if our AG has his way, he will start doing just that as soon as he can.
Define "xenophobic"
Most terrorists in fact have been from the Middle East in the last few years. fact.
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That Timothy McVeigh guy, for example. Or Chizuo Matsumoto. Or the CIA's goons in South America. The list goes on. Middle Easterners all.
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The ehtics of "making news" as opposed to "reporting news" have been long discussed in the U.S.
When Gerry Rivers (Geraldo Rivera as he is now known) traveled with illegal aliens across the Texas border was caught by the U.S. Border Patrol, a call to Washington not only freed him, but the Border Patrol was instructed to allow him to continue. He reported later how easy it was to travel from El Paso to the Orange Groves in Arizona without ever mentioning that he was caught and briefly detained (he did break the law - but the laws are somewhat ill-defined where the Press is involved).
One does not have to attend terrorist school. One only has to watch the various reports on the news to learn how to breach security, what are the unprotected high value targets, or how to kill the greatest number of people.
When Gerry Rivers (Geraldo Rivera as he is now known) traveled with illegal aliens across the Texas border was caught by the U.S. Border Patrol, a call to Washington not only freed him, but the Border Patrol was instructed to allow him to continue. He reported later how easy it was to travel from El Paso to the Orange Groves in Arizona without ever mentioning that he was caught and briefly detained (he did break the law - but the laws are somewhat ill-defined where the Press is involved).
One does not have to attend terrorist school. One only has to watch the various reports on the news to learn how to breach security, what are the unprotected high value targets, or how to kill the greatest number of people.
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Ah, the Press...........I have had some dealings with them in the past. Easy to see where the term "Out of Context: came about.
Anyway it seems everytime theres some kind of shootout in Bagdaddie, the press is right there with the Bad Guys. If the Military was really smart, they would send a few of their own to follow the press and take care of the situation. Might lose a few press members, but it would make things newsworthy.
Anyway it seems everytime theres some kind of shootout in Bagdaddie, the press is right there with the Bad Guys. If the Military was really smart, they would send a few of their own to follow the press and take care of the situation. Might lose a few press members, but it would make things newsworthy.
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Rich, I wasn't aware that it was illegal for American citizens to cross the border. It's done daily by lots of them, going both ways, with never a word said.
Of course, if a teenaged US citizen goes out to tend his family's stock, on the US side, and happens to have a .22 rifle to take care of snakes or other varmints, he must be a terrorist and will be shot on sight. We're getting carried away with the panic, IMO, and need to step back and take another look at things.
Of course, if a teenaged US citizen goes out to tend his family's stock, on the US side, and happens to have a .22 rifle to take care of snakes or other varmints, he must be a terrorist and will be shot on sight. We're getting carried away with the panic, IMO, and need to step back and take another look at things.
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I believe the laws he broke were less related to crossing the border himself than the fact he was "guiding" a group of people who were not U.S. citizens cross country, but, in response to your comment, most regular U.S. Citizens are requested to at least pause for the moment at approved border checkpoints, even if only just to wave and say hello to those fine immigration officers.
Rich, I wasn't aware that it was illegal for American citizens to cross the border. It's done daily by lots of them, going both ways, with never a word said.
From GLSNight:
Here in Oz, a far more restrictive country generally, they would have broken several laws I would guess.
You cannot intentionally carry weapons on to an aircraft.
You cannot intentionally, or otherwise, put yourself in a situation that may be construed as a terrorist act, ie a bomb threat, etc. We have even had two guys arrested and charged at our airports because they joked with security that they might carry a bomb!!
Law or no Law: in a helicopter industry V media spat there is one consistent loser. Us.
law is still the law, and as far as I can see none were broken
You cannot intentionally carry weapons on to an aircraft.
You cannot intentionally, or otherwise, put yourself in a situation that may be construed as a terrorist act, ie a bomb threat, etc. We have even had two guys arrested and charged at our airports because they joked with security that they might carry a bomb!!
Law or no Law: in a helicopter industry V media spat there is one consistent loser. Us.
