Flight suit or not?
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From: Victoria
in regards to 1 or 2 piece
i can relate to bellytank's & ascend charlie's response
might be a little off topic with this one, but i recall being on exercise in NT with armoured support, on of the APC crewman wanders off into the scrub with his entrenching tool & toilet roll over his shoulder & rifle in hand.
a few minutes later he returned with his rifle, e-tool, his boots & a smile.
seems he didn't quite arrange his tank suit prior to "jettisoning his package"
it wasn't until he had finished his business & turned around to fill in his 'catscrape' that he realised something was definitley missing...needless to say he deposited more than just organic waste that day.
Perhaps a 1 piece flight suit might be inherently susceptable to a similar predicament if you weren't too careful, & of course if you have appropriate ablutions at your disposal, this reduces the risk factor substantially.
i can relate to bellytank's & ascend charlie's response
might be a little off topic with this one, but i recall being on exercise in NT with armoured support, on of the APC crewman wanders off into the scrub with his entrenching tool & toilet roll over his shoulder & rifle in hand.
a few minutes later he returned with his rifle, e-tool, his boots & a smile.
seems he didn't quite arrange his tank suit prior to "jettisoning his package"
it wasn't until he had finished his business & turned around to fill in his 'catscrape' that he realised something was definitley missing...needless to say he deposited more than just organic waste that day.
Perhaps a 1 piece flight suit might be inherently susceptable to a similar predicament if you weren't too careful, & of course if you have appropriate ablutions at your disposal, this reduces the risk factor substantially.
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well this is an issue that could run for a while.
I currently fly with flight suite and, during my time when instructing flew with the white shirt and tie. out of choice flight suite and alpha 200 every time clearly there are issues relating to passengers and there thinking on this but for low level ops (ie training and other duties like pipe patrol wire ems police ops etc) i would have thought it to be essential rather that anything other. image who cares is it saves you lifewhen things hit the fan then its worth it and well if it gets the females going (which i dought) its a bonus.
you all have different views on this but if it was a choice of for or against i am for every time.
Sincerely
Bravo 99 (AJB)
I currently fly with flight suite and, during my time when instructing flew with the white shirt and tie. out of choice flight suite and alpha 200 every time clearly there are issues relating to passengers and there thinking on this but for low level ops (ie training and other duties like pipe patrol wire ems police ops etc) i would have thought it to be essential rather that anything other. image who cares is it saves you lifewhen things hit the fan then its worth it and well if it gets the females going (which i dought) its a bonus.
you all have different views on this but if it was a choice of for or against i am for every time.
Sincerely
Bravo 99 (AJB)
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From: EGDC
If everyone is so sure that a helmet and a flight suit is not required in a helicopter then why do you bother strapping in - you are clearly not going to crash/roll over/catch fire so it's a bit pointless. Do you wear seat belts in a car? do you buy the latest models with airbags/crash protection etc?
I have been in an R22 that rolled over, wearing civvy clothes, a headset and a 3 point harness - apart from banging my head, the smell of fuel was enough to make me wish I had been kitted out the same way as when I fly in the military.
It's no good looking cool in your shorts and T shirts when it all goes wrong - I can buy another flying suit/helmet/pair of gloves but not new skin/skull/fingers. Dress to survive!
I have been in an R22 that rolled over, wearing civvy clothes, a headset and a 3 point harness - apart from banging my head, the smell of fuel was enough to make me wish I had been kitted out the same way as when I fly in the military.
It's no good looking cool in your shorts and T shirts when it all goes wrong - I can buy another flying suit/helmet/pair of gloves but not new skin/skull/fingers. Dress to survive!
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From: Pennsylvania, USA
Enjoyed the gloves story.. cracked me up.
I teach in a Bell 47 and I did find with helmet, flight suit and boots on, and doors off!! it's bloody warm in there!!! it's like a mini green house! it's just as bad when your airbourne too!!
I fly now in the shorts and shirt atire, but do agree if it was to go all horribly wrong, not the best to wear, but practical given the circumstances
Good thread with good suggestions mind you..
Darren
I teach in a Bell 47 and I did find with helmet, flight suit and boots on, and doors off!! it's bloody warm in there!!! it's like a mini green house! it's just as bad when your airbourne too!!
I fly now in the shorts and shirt atire, but do agree if it was to go all horribly wrong, not the best to wear, but practical given the circumstances
Good thread with good suggestions mind you..
Darren
Not enough $$$ ...
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From: Brisbane
http://web2.airmail.net/amirado/copter/dicdeed4.htm
Another "deed in the air" story, but this one about a Cobra not a Mirage.
The rest of his stories on that site are pretty good too ... enjoy!
Another "deed in the air" story, but this one about a Cobra not a Mirage.
The rest of his stories on that site are pretty good too ... enjoy!
It's not just an adventure....
it's just a job!
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From: Philippines
IMHO
If the customer wants me to wear pink tights and ballet shoes (fire retardent ofcourse) I will.
In the real world, what you wear is governed by the customer which leads me to believe that most of the posts come from non-offshore personnel.
Cheers,
OffshoreIgor
If the customer wants me to wear pink tights and ballet shoes (fire retardent ofcourse) I will.
In the real world, what you wear is governed by the customer which leads me to believe that most of the posts come from non-offshore personnel.
Cheers,
OffshoreIgor
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From: Australia
Offshore...
my wardrobe changes daily!!...some days i may be flying corporates around where i wear the tie and pressed shirt. then the next i may be doing powerline survey where the customer requires us to wear helmet an flight suit.. so again it depends on what your doing i think....mind you the chicks dig the flight suit and helmet attire though!!!!
cheers
my wardrobe changes daily!!...some days i may be flying corporates around where i wear the tie and pressed shirt. then the next i may be doing powerline survey where the customer requires us to wear helmet an flight suit.. so again it depends on what your doing i think....mind you the chicks dig the flight suit and helmet attire though!!!!
cheers
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Hi belly tank
Well it stricks me the chicks are hot in the out back every post we discuss they seem to be on heat over your end of the world i think i am going to have to move.
the buggers over here are just plane dull. (well the ones i have met )
but as you say flight suite is customer orientated but i think its a must hot that it may be but if is saves you skin great.
sincerely
Bravo 99 (AJB)
PS
i will try wearing to the pub shortly and see if it helps get the girls going (it must be worth a try for and old fart like me.)
keep you posted
Well it stricks me the chicks are hot in the out back every post we discuss they seem to be on heat over your end of the world i think i am going to have to move.
the buggers over here are just plane dull. (well the ones i have met )
but as you say flight suite is customer orientated but i think its a must hot that it may be but if is saves you skin great.
sincerely
Bravo 99 (AJB)
PS
i will try wearing to the pub shortly and see if it helps get the girls going (it must be worth a try for and old fart like me.)
keep you posted
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From: Downeast
I have flown in everything from barefoot and swimtrunks with earmuff noise suppressers, to exposure suit, nomex, and helmet. I have sat in a fire and had my nomex burned off up to my knees and had the nomex gloves burn off. Nomex is cool stuff...but only delays the inevitable if you are in a real fire...at least when clean...it does not tend to stick to you like a polyester suit does.
For fire protection...you are about as safe in cotton or wool as you are in nomex....operative word....about. The helmet will surely save you from injury or incapacitation that could otherwise be fatal.
Given a choice....I will still fly in my sneaks...shorts...and tee shirt with a collar (keeps the shoulder harness from rubbing)....and with a good headset. Most mishaps are of such a degree that kevlar underwear does you little good...when a blade or something critical lets go.....and you are zipping along at more than a low hover....you pretty well become a statistic with no hope of telling stories.
For fire protection...you are about as safe in cotton or wool as you are in nomex....operative word....about. The helmet will surely save you from injury or incapacitation that could otherwise be fatal.
Given a choice....I will still fly in my sneaks...shorts...and tee shirt with a collar (keeps the shoulder harness from rubbing)....and with a good headset. Most mishaps are of such a degree that kevlar underwear does you little good...when a blade or something critical lets go.....and you are zipping along at more than a low hover....you pretty well become a statistic with no hope of telling stories.
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From: St Pierre et Miquelon
The helicopter guys in Cameroun used to wear very tasteful orange coveralls closely (or actually, looking at the fit, extremely losely) modelled on those the street cleaners wore (except much worse fitting and probably costing 10 times as much). At least they were mostly fabricated from (very cheap) cotton. The fixed wing pilots were wearing a tasteful combination of 100% nylon tan trousers (held up by tasteful 100% plastic belts, with a buckle incorporating the company logo) and delightful, sweat-absorbing white shirts in a super 70%polyester/30% cotton mix. You could tell the management were really caring about the appearance and safety of the crews 
Cool as a moosp
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From: Mostly Hong Kong
Just resurrecting this thread over a recent transaction. You hear a lot of stuff about service but here is one that takes some beating.
I rang Sisley Clothing at around 14.30 their time on Monday to order a flight suit. They did not have it in stock, so Matthew said they would make one. I said it was a rush job and he said he would try for Wednesday. I have heard today that it was picked up by DHL on Tuesday afternoon for delivery to HKG.
The make up included embroidery of the name tag.
We have tailors in Hong Kong that boast of a suit in 24 hours, but a Nomex flight suit to measure, out of Australia? I am seriously impressed with the service.
Not a plug mods, just the facts.
I rang Sisley Clothing at around 14.30 their time on Monday to order a flight suit. They did not have it in stock, so Matthew said they would make one. I said it was a rush job and he said he would try for Wednesday. I have heard today that it was picked up by DHL on Tuesday afternoon for delivery to HKG.
The make up included embroidery of the name tag.
We have tailors in Hong Kong that boast of a suit in 24 hours, but a Nomex flight suit to measure, out of Australia? I am seriously impressed with the service.
Not a plug mods, just the facts.
