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Old 1st Feb 2005, 16:27
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I think that the majority of job losses at Wastelands are in the rotable section. i.e. Transmissions and drive shafts.
Nope, 90 of the job losses are in transmissions. Majority are from the rest of the factory.
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I think that the majority of job losses at Wastelands are in the rotable section. i.e. Transmissions and drive shafts.
Nope, 90 of the job losses are in transmissions. Majority are from the rest of the factory.
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HMX-1 is the US Marine Corps Sqn that flies Dubya around, and is the Test and Evaluation Sqn for the USMC. They are the one's who had a hand in the decision. VX-1 conducts similar testing and evaluation, but for the US Navy


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HMX-1 is the US Marine Corps Sqn that flies Dubya around, and is the Test and Evaluation Sqn for the USMC. They are the one's who had a hand in the decision. VX-1 conducts similar testing and evaluation, but for the US Navy


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Nope, 90 of the job losses are in transmissions. Majority are from the rest of the factory

And the rest of the factory do what????? yep...Rotables. Nugget
 
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Nope, 90 of the job losses are in transmissions. Majority are from the rest of the factory

And the rest of the factory do what????? yep...Rotables. Nugget
 
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The Lynx is due to be phased out of service from 2008 when a future Surface Combatant Maritime Rotorcraft will replace it, operating from Frigates and Destroyers of the Royal Navy well into the 21st Century.

Less than four years to go? Might be time for placing orders....
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The Lynx is due to be phased out of service from 2008 when a future Surface Combatant Maritime Rotorcraft will replace it, operating from Frigates and Destroyers of the Royal Navy well into the 21st Century.

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And the rest of the factory do what????? yep...Rotables. Nugget
Are you seriously suggesting that all 4,000 people only build transmissions and driveshafts? And I quote:-

I think that the majority of job losses at Wastelands are in the rotable section. i.e. Transmissions and drive shafts.
Your words, not mine. I guess santa's elves must come in overnight and assemble the helos then? Must be a relief for that 4000 to come in of a morning and find shiny new helos have materialised overnight just waiting for transmissions and driveshafts that they all make. . .

What was the nugget comment about?
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And the rest of the factory do what????? yep...Rotables. Nugget
Are you seriously suggesting that all 4,000 people only build transmissions and driveshafts? And I quote:-

I think that the majority of job losses at Wastelands are in the rotable section. i.e. Transmissions and drive shafts.
Your words, not mine. I guess santa's elves must come in overnight and assemble the helos then? Must be a relief for that 4000 to come in of a morning and find shiny new helos have materialised overnight just waiting for transmissions and driveshafts that they all make. . .

What was the nugget comment about?
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Must be a relief for that 4000 to come in of a morning and find shiny new helos
what shiny new helo's? Will that be the four that South Africa have ordered? The four that haven't even had the metal cut yet? So, that 4000 workers and 4 "shiny new helicopters"...hmmmm no wonder there were job cuts !

As for the Lynx. I think you will find that the Lynx is due to be phased out STARTING from 2008. With over 60 airframes, the first one reaches lifex in 2008 and the remainder will go on for sometime...well beyond 2015. Still, that is no excuse for not starting the process to procure NH90...NOW!


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Must be a relief for that 4000 to come in of a morning and find shiny new helos
what shiny new helo's? Will that be the four that South Africa have ordered? The four that haven't even had the metal cut yet? So, that 4000 workers and 4 "shiny new helicopters"...hmmmm no wonder there were job cuts !

As for the Lynx. I think you will find that the Lynx is due to be phased out STARTING from 2008. With over 60 airframes, the first one reaches lifex in 2008 and the remainder will go on for sometime...well beyond 2015. Still, that is no excuse for not starting the process to procure NH90...NOW!


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From the coalface

There are some incredibly good facts amongst this 'rumour' mill with stats and figures!! Whilst Si Clik is right in what he says and it is a fantastic machine with a huge capability increase over its predecessor - it is still plagued with problems.
Although now detached from the TAS I believe morale is fairly low in the community with limited stores and therefore serviceability. This makes prioritisation a constant battle and training is currently taking a massive hit - any courses running at the mo?? The sim is no doubt doing a roaring trade!!
7 years downstream from the first delivery and I understand configuration issues still abound to boot. Were I Mr Hertz and this was my brand new fleet of Mondeo's I'd be mightily pissed off.

Good news though I hear there's cash to build some new helicopter force HQ's!!
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From the coalface

There are some incredibly good facts amongst this 'rumour' mill with stats and figures!! Whilst Si Clik is right in what he says and it is a fantastic machine with a huge capability increase over its predecessor - it is still plagued with problems.
Although now detached from the TAS I believe morale is fairly low in the community with limited stores and therefore serviceability. This makes prioritisation a constant battle and training is currently taking a massive hit - any courses running at the mo?? The sim is no doubt doing a roaring trade!!
7 years downstream from the first delivery and I understand configuration issues still abound to boot. Were I Mr Hertz and this was my brand new fleet of Mondeo's I'd be mightily pissed off.

Good news though I hear there's cash to build some new helicopter force HQ's!!
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There is no doubt that Merlin is a fine A/C, give it an EO device,a weapon, upgrade the software and provide a bunch of reliably available spares and you can forget replacement Lynx and NH 90 it's all there. Give Westlands the contract to build a few more Merlins to augment 829 and the flights and replace Lynx completely, the Lynx crews can all convert, as quite a few have already, the Observer shortage will be addressed to boot.

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There is no doubt that Merlin is a fine A/C, give it an EO device,a weapon, upgrade the software and provide a bunch of reliably available spares and you can forget replacement Lynx and NH 90 it's all there. Give Westlands the contract to build a few more Merlins to augment 829 and the flights and replace Lynx completely, the Lynx crews can all convert, as quite a few have already, the Observer shortage will be addressed to boot.

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There is no doubt that Merlin is a fine A/C, give it an EO device
Its got one!

a weapon
what type? ASW Weapon?
upgrade the software
Its a brand new aircraft.... why upgrade the software? and if the software isn't correct why accept it?

Give Westlands the contract to build a few more Merlins to augment 829
there are 44 Merlin - what are you doing with them all?

the Lynx crews can all convert, as quite a few have already
2 have !

the Observer shortage will be addressed to boot
Didnt know thwere was a Merlin Observer shortage.

Bit of a pipedream but I think what will really happen is that we will support just a handful of Merlin. That will be 5 or 6 maybe 7 at a stretch. This will mean a whole lot of Merlin aircrew will not have an aircraft to fly. They will be invited to convert to Lynx and that will create big problems as upto 40 Merlin crews are sent to Somerset. Now you move into the realsm of somerset not being able to support that many crews.
 
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There is no doubt that Merlin is a fine A/C, give it an EO device
Its got one!

a weapon
what type? ASW Weapon?
upgrade the software
Its a brand new aircraft.... why upgrade the software? and if the software isn't correct why accept it?

Give Westlands the contract to build a few more Merlins to augment 829
there are 44 Merlin - what are you doing with them all?

the Lynx crews can all convert, as quite a few have already
2 have !

the Observer shortage will be addressed to boot
Didnt know thwere was a Merlin Observer shortage.

Bit of a pipedream but I think what will really happen is that we will support just a handful of Merlin. That will be 5 or 6 maybe 7 at a stretch. This will mean a whole lot of Merlin aircrew will not have an aircraft to fly. They will be invited to convert to Lynx and that will create big problems as upto 40 Merlin crews are sent to Somerset. Now you move into the realsm of somerset not being able to support that many crews.
 
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Crossbow, you sound very learned and I speak as a shop floor layman.
I believe the EO device is on loan as a trial, the weapon we could do with is the skua or similar. The software is still good but becoming obsolete ( procurement error ). we have 42 but ditto previous procurement point. As for Observer shortage if we don't have a shortage why the retention insentives?
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Crossbow, you sound very learned and I speak as a shop floor layman.
I believe the EO device is on loan as a trial, the weapon we could do with is the skua or similar. The software is still good but becoming obsolete ( procurement error ). we have 42 but ditto previous procurement point. As for Observer shortage if we don't have a shortage why the retention insentives?
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