Converting non-JAA (Including FAA) license to JAA licence
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hi folks,
anyone know the real costs of converting from the faa route to the jaa one?
i am looking to start the florida route asap then convert in the future to work in scotland/uk
cheers
anyone know the real costs of converting from the faa route to the jaa one?
i am looking to start the florida route asap then convert in the future to work in scotland/uk
cheers
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Hi There!!
I am interested in doing the same FAA-JAR helicopters. I am in contact with a few school that do that. My messenger is [email protected] .
A program in USA (Cpl-IR) 150 hrs cost you around 30.000 euros 36.000 dolars.
Now the conversion in Spain is quite expensive. About 18.000 euros the Cpl. And there are an other inconvinient, a heli school told me that the IR FAA can not be converted into JAA, so I have to pay for a full IR-ME. it cost between 35.000 to 40.000 euros. Not good!!!
Affortunately I am looking for cheaper prices in others school and I may find something cheaper soon.
keep in contact with me, together we can find something good.
have a good day everyone.
I am interested in doing the same FAA-JAR helicopters. I am in contact with a few school that do that. My messenger is [email protected] .
A program in USA (Cpl-IR) 150 hrs cost you around 30.000 euros 36.000 dolars.
Now the conversion in Spain is quite expensive. About 18.000 euros the Cpl. And there are an other inconvinient, a heli school told me that the IR FAA can not be converted into JAA, so I have to pay for a full IR-ME. it cost between 35.000 to 40.000 euros. Not good!!!
Affortunately I am looking for cheaper prices in others school and I may find something cheaper soon.
keep in contact with me, together we can find something good.
have a good day everyone.
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In a nutshell, to convert an FAA CPL/IR into a JAA CPL/IR requires the following:
All JAA ground exams to be taken; either CPL and IR theory or ATPL theory - cost around £2k including exams fees.
The CPL conversion is "hours required" in order to pass the JAA skill test. I have heard that some FAA CPLs can take almost the full 30 hours anyway due to differences in airspace, RT, rules, airspace etc.
The IR conversion is a minimum of 15 hours (and has to be completed in JAA airspace) and a twin engine type rating must also be ontained. Some of this time can be obtained in the sim but some must be in the aircraft at around £1,200 an hour. Initial type rating on a twin is 8 hours.
Cheers
Whirls
All JAA ground exams to be taken; either CPL and IR theory or ATPL theory - cost around £2k including exams fees.
The CPL conversion is "hours required" in order to pass the JAA skill test. I have heard that some FAA CPLs can take almost the full 30 hours anyway due to differences in airspace, RT, rules, airspace etc.
The IR conversion is a minimum of 15 hours (and has to be completed in JAA airspace) and a twin engine type rating must also be ontained. Some of this time can be obtained in the sim but some must be in the aircraft at around £1,200 an hour. Initial type rating on a twin is 8 hours.
Cheers
Whirls
Whirlygig,
Good info, except
The IR is a base qualification, which is tested on each individual type. It can be done on a single (if IFR certified).
TT
Good info, except
and a twin engine type rating must also be obtained
The IR is a base qualification, which is tested on each individual type. It can be done on a single (if IFR certified).
TT
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True, but there's only one in the UK and that one is being phased out/retired. 
I didn't want to complicate things too much and it is a minefield.
Cheers
Whirls
I didn't want to complicate things too much and it is a minefield.
Cheers
Whirls
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I have my FAA CFII and JAA frozen ATP but since I have just married an American girl( not just for the visa by the way) I am not planning on moving back to Europe to use it. So if anyone wants to buy it off me, I'll sell it at a very resonable price. All the exams passed with one or two 100% in there. Call now for offers.
If you have spare hours and would like to sell some, that would be taken into account against the price.
If only life was that easy!!!
If you have spare hours and would like to sell some, that would be taken into account against the price.
If only life was that easy!!!
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No need to PM - Whirlygig got it in one
I hear the single IR is a dead duck and probably worthless, I recommend our guys to go the ME IR route to conver FAA CPL / IR (still a hell of a lot cheaper)
Geoff
I hear the single IR is a dead duck and probably worthless, I recommend our guys to go the ME IR route to conver FAA CPL / IR (still a hell of a lot cheaper)
Geoff
I hear the single IR is a dead duck and probably worthless
The FAA to JAA conversion is only cheaper if you don't need additional hours to get up to scratch with ADF and reaching the standard in an aircraft in which you have only a handful of hours. Quite a few people end up spending at least the difference they hoped to save.
TT
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I'm sure that BAC, the Danish school, and their students will feel sad to hear that JAA Single-IR is "a dead duck and probably worthless", since they recently acquired a 2nd Longranger to follow the supply/demand for this course 
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With Bristow getting rid of the 206 in the UK, I can understand the market demand for SE IR's.
Realistically in the current market (Im not in the market over there so not fully informed) how valuable is a IR single engine only without ME?
This is a genuine question not a dig and would like honest answers as we come accross many FAA IR's enquiring about conversions in Europe.
Realistically in the current market (Im not in the market over there so not fully informed) how valuable is a IR single engine only without ME?
This is a genuine question not a dig and would like honest answers as we come accross many FAA IR's enquiring about conversions in Europe.
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Hey guys, can anyone give me an update on the new JAA CPL (H) requirements? I have a Canadian CPL, what do I need to do to convert to a JAA licence? Do I need to enroll in a school or can I study from home?
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Holybejaysus - the are no new CPL(H) requirements and will not be until at least the end of 2009. A lot of questions about helicopter conversions are answered on the front page of this website Caledonian Advanced Pilot Training, but please feel free to PM if you have any more!
I believe there is also another single in Portugal, but with the Euro exchange rate it isn't so much of a jump to finish off with a twin in some schools, which is a rating you will need anyway.
To anyone converting from a FAA IR to a JAA one, the following will help to keep the conversion hours down:
Do at least 60 hours of seriously accurate flying! especially tracking VOR! There was a CFII recently who took 4 attempts to pass and failed 3 on just that every time! That was needlessly expensive
Get to grips with the ADF
Get to grips with serious preflight checks - remember the JAA IR assumes the machine has been left out overnight in icing conditions and there is a 200 foot cloudbase.
Phil
I believe there is also another single in Portugal, but with the Euro exchange rate it isn't so much of a jump to finish off with a twin in some schools, which is a rating you will need anyway.
To anyone converting from a FAA IR to a JAA one, the following will help to keep the conversion hours down:
Do at least 60 hours of seriously accurate flying! especially tracking VOR! There was a CFII recently who took 4 attempts to pass and failed 3 on just that every time! That was needlessly expensive
Get to grips with the ADF
Get to grips with serious preflight checks - remember the JAA IR assumes the machine has been left out overnight in icing conditions and there is a 200 foot cloudbase.
Phil
A Rough Estimate!
Can someone tell me what it would roughly cost to convert a FAA PPL/H (All hours on the R22) over to a JAA (UK) licence including an R44 rating? Meaning only having the R44 rating on the JAA ticket when complete.
Im just trying to work out my budget end of things.
Thanks
Dave
Im just trying to work out my budget end of things.
Thanks
Dave