Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Rotorheads
Reload this Page >

What is it about the Wessex that makes people so fond of it?

Rotorheads A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them

What is it about the Wessex that makes people so fond of it?

Old 17th Dec 2013, 13:20
  #501 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A couple of years ago I photographed XT607 at the National Diving and Activity Centre near Chepstow. I posted a while back, so here's a reminder:-

Simon Brown Images - Photographer & Writer

Its taken a few years, but the underwater visibility was excellent last week and I managed to photograph Westland Wessex XS122 in clear water:-

Simon Brown Images - Photographer & Writer

The reason for posting is that I'm looking for former crew who would be willing to be interviewed about their experiences with the former Fleet Air Arm Wessex XS122, or to see if anyone out there has any topside images of the helicopter in her heyday, either static or (better) in flight. By way of exchange, I would like to offer former crew a print of XS122 as she is today in return.

Email or PPRUNE PM is best. simon (at) simonbrownimages (dot) com would reach me, replacing the (at) and (dot) with @ and . respectively.

Look forward to hearing from anyone who could help.
SimonBrown is offline  
Old 28th Jan 2014, 14:20
  #502 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Alps
Posts: 3,142
Received 98 Likes on 53 Posts
RAe Bedford Wessex XR503

Does anyone remember this Wessex used for trials of the 'glass cockpit' trials 3 decades ago at Bedford

(images courtesy of Bedford Heritage Aviation Group)





Cheers
chopper2004 is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2014, 10:24
  #503 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes I remember it well.I flew in it many times to Larkhill and Boscombe Down dropping models of the MRCA...(Tornado) from RAE Bedford in the mid 70's. It was still in RAF camo scheme then.I can't remember where it ended it's days but I did see a Raspberry Ripple tail boom with it's serial number on
in the training school at Gosport (HMS Sultan).

Last edited by Tacho Genny; 11th Feb 2014 at 04:22.
Tacho Genny is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2015, 00:40
  #504 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bangkok, Thailand
Age: 61
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Bad behaviour?

Oh come on this was just a little fun with the photographer whilst on a detachment to Stanford PTA from Aldergrove. If I remember it was Feb 7th 1984. My 21st Birthday.
72forever is offline  
Old 4th Nov 2015, 21:51
  #505 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,818
Received 2,787 Likes on 1,184 Posts
whooo.. that's over a foot long, for those of you that do metric, it's over a foot long


Fly Model Kit No. 32010 - Westland Wessex HC.2 Reviww by Jim Hatch
NutLoose is online now  
Old 5th Nov 2015, 08:03
  #506 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Used to be God's own County
Posts: 1,719
Received 14 Likes on 10 Posts
FarEastDriver

"Started off life carrying Marines; how it got a Royal Air Finish is unknown."

most likely it was roped back into service as part of the Puma 'mid-life' update..........or was it the Puma that was the Wessex 'mid-life' update?????
Age!
EESDL is offline  
Old 17th Nov 2015, 13:28
  #507 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Here n there.
Posts: 905
Received 9 Likes on 3 Posts
Simple..relatively, dependable and relatively few vices. A good cab for a dumbass like me to learn my craft on. Not my favourite ship, the UH-1D was the most fun/pleasant and easy ride. Didn't like the Squirrel, equally as ambivalent toward the Gazelle..the Seaking 4 was a pleasant ride, just never got 'comfortable' with it.
Hueymeister is offline  
Old 17th Nov 2015, 14:25
  #508 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 2,958
Received 21 Likes on 12 Posts
That's the first time that I've seen somebody refer to one of Igor's designs as a "Russian machine". I think that the reviewer needs to read his history books correctly.

It's an impressive model otherwise, if that's your thing.
Bravo73 is online now  
Old 18th Nov 2015, 05:56
  #509 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: EGDC
Posts: 10,321
Received 622 Likes on 270 Posts
Learned so much in it in my first 2 years of flying - constant MAUM and limited power, loss of tail rotor authority, how to overtorque and not crash when you get the wind wrong, how that awesome undercarriage can save you even when you get recirculation going into a CA - the list goes on for the Queen of the skies.
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2015, 09:58
  #510 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
For the attention of Geebee 50

Having sat, read and really enjoyed the Wessex thread I was extremely disappointed to note the personal attack by Geebee 50 on the SAR crew involved in the Wessex vs HMS Glasgow incident.

The comments by what appears to be a poorly informed member of the police investigating team is really not worthy of comment but comment I shall. Prior to this critical mail the thread has been conducted in a well informed and non critical manner and as the flying members of this thread appreciate this leaves much scope for those wanting to score points.

Geebee 50 I would refer you to Post number 487 which for your reference is factual. Aircrew = Respect. Police Flight =
upgently is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2015, 09:55
  #511 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: EGDC
Posts: 10,321
Received 622 Likes on 270 Posts
Up Gently - both Cab le Cutter and I have flown with the pilot in the past and, whilst he was a good pair of hands, he had a mischevious and sometimes slightly barking view of what should and shouldn't be done in a helicopter (he was previously a plankie).

The unit he was previously with (plankie) don't have a fantastic reputation when it comes to flying discipline so part of it was learned behaviour.

He was a character but not a perfect one (after all who is?) and the HMS Glasgow incident is one a of a list of things that started out as a good idea (sort of) and wasn't fully thought through, especially concerning margins for safety when wazzing and zooming (if you don't leave a few feet spare for the 'wife and kids' you are going to end up as a statistic).

I wouldn't be too hard on Geebee - if you were asked to investigate a similar incident you would probably come to the same conclusions.
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2015, 13:51
  #512 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 464
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
a mischevious and sometimes slightly barking view of what should and shouldn't be done in a helicopter
probably why he got two AFC's Crab

Last edited by Al-bert; 22nd Nov 2015 at 13:54. Reason: spillin
Al-bert is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2015, 16:30
  #513 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for your replies chaps.

I have had the pleasure of many, many hours with the pilot concerned both on fixed wing and SAR and it would be foolish of me to contradict your observations but in both rolls the very successful results are there for all to see which alas on the negative side does include the HMS Glasgow incident.
I will repeat the observation of the AOC to the crew of which I incidentally was a member.
"Gentlemen if we were at war you would be the crew I would select, but gentlemen we are not at war"

Re the observation of Geebee, "coming to the same conclusions" these are an opinion and from a non aviator are difficult to accept, whereas facts are facts. Yep guilty as charged but please don't judge us until you are happy that the opinions presented represent the truth.
upgently is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2016, 09:15
  #514 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I thought some of the Wessex enthusiasts might like a peek at XS122, who is now residing in 30m at NDAC.

This is a 3D model created using a process called photogrammetry - basically hundreds or thousands of overlapping images that when processed turn into a 3D shape.

This model is a bit 'noisy' and is low definition, but it should give you an idea of how XS122 looks today without getting wet:-

https://sketchfab.com/models/3e066c8...f32b9e55f8d25b

Hope you like it.
SimonBrown is offline  
Old 17th Oct 2016, 19:35
  #515 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Cornwall
Age: 77
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What a fantastic 3D model. Well impressed though I only drove the Mk V

TC
TipCap is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2016, 17:16
  #516 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Inverness-shire, Ross-shire
Posts: 1,460
Received 23 Likes on 17 Posts
Originally Posted by [email protected]
... a mischevious and sometimes slightly barking view of what should and shouldn't be done in a helicopter ...
Originally Posted by Al-bert
probably why he got two AFC's Crab

You are reminding me of something I wrote a couple of years ago to an MR colleague in a discussion about mountain flying.

"It has to be faced that the supposed 'best' mountain flying you have ever seen was probably an immensely stupid thing to do."

It seems likely that Al-bert and Crab have known most of the people who contributed to the efforts that comment described.
jimf671 is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2016, 20:50
  #517 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 464
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Known? Contributed you mean Jim!
Not in the case of Crab of course since he was/is a QHI and far too sensible
Still, the Troops were always grateful and times were different then. I realised that they'd changed when we were stopped from cleaning the crew room windows at C Flight pre AOC's inspection - far too dangerous, Health and Safety etc!

Last edited by Al-bert; 23rd Oct 2016 at 00:21. Reason: clarification of windows
Al-bert is offline  
Old 19th Oct 2016, 12:51
  #518 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Europe
Posts: 120
Received 22 Likes on 11 Posts
I always thought the Wessex was a fantastic design with the pilots perched up top and that landing gear...

Why was the design never refined & developed.


Last edited by DroneDog; 19th Oct 2016 at 15:29.
DroneDog is online now  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 16:22
  #519 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: West Sussex
Age: 84
Posts: 148
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The Wessex was a development of the S58, I don't see how that design could have been further developed, except for the vee frame landing gear that Sikorsky brought out to reduce the ground resonance that the machine was prone to.
It was also the worlds greatest vacuum cleaner, many a chief engineer received a roasting for engine stone damage, (engineers were always blamed by logistics for engine damage).
There was an attempt to reduce the damage by fitting air intake filters manufactured by Aviation traders, but they weighed a ton, and damaged the hinges and attachments.
There will always be a soft spot for the Wessex however.
Dave B is offline  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 19:58
  #520 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Cornwall
Age: 75
Posts: 1,307
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ah yes! night dunking, the Thursday War, in-flight refuelling practice, amber screens, those were the days.

G. :-)
Geoffersincornwall is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.