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Bravo 99
Sorry to hear you've had problems in your life, a lot of us have.
But you started the abuse AND kept it going.
Funny how you've never seen any professionalism on this forum which most people agree is the best helicopter forum in the world and, after 5 months with PAS and 2 months in the "civil world", you're already talking about the lack of professionalism you've seen.
Other beginners and new low time professionals seem to find the "so called" wealth of knowledge and opinions of "so called" high time pilots on this forum very helpful. If you don't, maybe you should look to yourself.
Sorry to hear you've had problems in your life, a lot of us have.
But you started the abuse AND kept it going.
Funny how you've never seen any professionalism on this forum which most people agree is the best helicopter forum in the world and, after 5 months with PAS and 2 months in the "civil world", you're already talking about the lack of professionalism you've seen.
Other beginners and new low time professionals seem to find the "so called" wealth of knowledge and opinions of "so called" high time pilots on this forum very helpful. If you don't, maybe you should look to yourself.
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I will piont out that PAS training was with the best people I have ever been with. It was coming back into the civil world where I consider things are not right.
if I can when I get to the level of expertice and skill and profesionalizam shown to me by all the personel at PAS I would hope that I can and will forward it onto new comers then.
I would like this to be clear and this is not trying to start further on slought of fighting or abuse just clearing a point that may seem loose
and sorry I cannot translate previous
AJB
if I can when I get to the level of expertice and skill and profesionalizam shown to me by all the personel at PAS I would hope that I can and will forward it onto new comers then.
I would like this to be clear and this is not trying to start further on slought of fighting or abuse just clearing a point that may seem loose
and sorry I cannot translate previous
AJB
B99,I`ve refrained from making any comments to your previous inputs on the thread,as it seemed as though you were "trolling",and your profile suggested to me that there appeared some inconsistencies in your experience,and your replies to other PPruners.
As you have found, it is that people respond at face-value to what you say, and any cover-up will be unmasked, eventually.
It pays to be honest; the variety of replies you get may not be what you want to hear, but, on Rotorheads you generally get straightforward answers, from guys/gals who are living and working their lives as helo operators, and have usually come up the hard way.
Personally, I came from the Military,so you could say it was all fun`n games, sometimes very dangerous games, so I cannot relate my experience to theirs, but have enjoyed and been enlightened by the way civilian operators have to "operate",for the "customer".
PPF*1 has very strong views, and gives it to you in the same manner; others are a lot less so; however as you have explained your circumstances, it is apparent you have a strong will to overcome personal trials and tribulations to achieve your goal. I would like to wish you all the very best,and hope you can show your students such fortitude.
Syc....
As you have found, it is that people respond at face-value to what you say, and any cover-up will be unmasked, eventually.
It pays to be honest; the variety of replies you get may not be what you want to hear, but, on Rotorheads you generally get straightforward answers, from guys/gals who are living and working their lives as helo operators, and have usually come up the hard way.
Personally, I came from the Military,so you could say it was all fun`n games, sometimes very dangerous games, so I cannot relate my experience to theirs, but have enjoyed and been enlightened by the way civilian operators have to "operate",for the "customer".
PPF*1 has very strong views, and gives it to you in the same manner; others are a lot less so; however as you have explained your circumstances, it is apparent you have a strong will to overcome personal trials and tribulations to achieve your goal. I would like to wish you all the very best,and hope you can show your students such fortitude.
Syc....
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Well said Bronx
Bravo99,
I know your story and like I said before, we have met
You have been found out to be a liar, which is why I think you now want to give me some abuse, or at least a long story.
If you kept to being honest, people would give you the respect you deserved. However, you have now lost it. (You have also lost the plot I feel)
Oh! by the way, telling tales out of class shows your worth.
You earlier stated you had a CRM qualification and list the faults of your recent trips.
So why didn't you say something? Surely isn't that what CRM is all about? The experience level doesn't count if you think lives or safety are at stake.
Or is that another Bravo 99 ism?
I do wish you well and if you remember just one thing from all of this, let it be;
If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!
Before you go off at me again, just realise, all I did was catch you out for being dishonest.
SS
Bravo99,
I know your story and like I said before, we have met
You have been found out to be a liar, which is why I think you now want to give me some abuse, or at least a long story.
If you kept to being honest, people would give you the respect you deserved. However, you have now lost it. (You have also lost the plot I feel)
Oh! by the way, telling tales out of class shows your worth.
You earlier stated you had a CRM qualification and list the faults of your recent trips.
So why didn't you say something? Surely isn't that what CRM is all about? The experience level doesn't count if you think lives or safety are at stake.
Or is that another Bravo 99 ism?
I do wish you well and if you remember just one thing from all of this, let it be;
If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!
Before you go off at me again, just realise, all I did was catch you out for being dishonest.
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I've been wondering if Bravo 99 is the same Walter Mitty guy who conned a Police ASU into believing he was a professional pilot.
I can't find the thread just now but it was on the forum some time last year.
I can't find the thread just now but it was on the forum some time last year.
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I think now is a good time to address a serious issue in commercial aviation,
These days anybody who is of semi decent physical health can go and pass a medical, enroll in a flight school, pay the money, breeze through all the exams and go and get a commercial certificate, however there are quite a fair few, in my observation that are not mentally stable to be trusted with an aircraft with passengers or even have the personal skills to work alongside others.
In fact it is easy to spot the ones with the loose screws, nearly anybody who wants to fly in Europe needs their head examined, its not right to have to pay such amounts to get qualified in the industry, its just plane crazy.
Commercial pilots will soon be seen as a joke if this trend continues.
Something should be changed in the screening process
These days anybody who is of semi decent physical health can go and pass a medical, enroll in a flight school, pay the money, breeze through all the exams and go and get a commercial certificate, however there are quite a fair few, in my observation that are not mentally stable to be trusted with an aircraft with passengers or even have the personal skills to work alongside others.
In fact it is easy to spot the ones with the loose screws, nearly anybody who wants to fly in Europe needs their head examined, its not right to have to pay such amounts to get qualified in the industry, its just plane crazy.
Commercial pilots will soon be seen as a joke if this trend continues.
Something should be changed in the screening process
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A very interesting point Bronx.
I know the story is true, but can't work out whether the timeline works, mmmm. Certainly got me thinking on that one.
Has anyone else noticed that Bravo99 (aka AJB) has deleted his posts prior to being found out?
Now thats integrity! Would you like to employ someone like that?
I certainly would not like to work with someone like that.
"Of course I did the Check A.....I've signed for it haven't I"
"Yes I checked the fuel.......sorry I lied"
etc etc
Bronx,
Heres the thread you are after
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...t=walter+mitty
Basically; (cut & paste)
This guy got to know some pilots at either West or East Midlands ASU. Tells them he's an ATPL(A) and (H) with loads of airlines hours with BA, loads of corporate heli hours, no end of type ratings incl the EC135. Explains that he's had enough of the airlines, done what's worth doing and doesn't mind taking a big drop in salary because he wants a change and loves helicopters.He then applies for a job and puts in a very impressive CV. If he hasn't done it, it's not worth doing. The ASU backs him, start off giving him some obs flights, then give him 5 hours Police Ops line training in the 135 free of charge. He shines at the interview and gets the job. Then they find out everything he's said is all total bxxxxxxs. He's a PPL, and only for two years at that.
He gets arrested and confesses everything. Not surprisingly, he ends up in court for fraud.
But, surprise surprise, he gets off!!
WARNING - Bravo99 (akaAJB) has 30 mins on an Explorer !!!
Lied about his 4500hrs total
Admitted to putting out a false CV
And as I know this guy, can talk a good talk
This is spooky stuff
I know the story is true, but can't work out whether the timeline works, mmmm. Certainly got me thinking on that one.
Has anyone else noticed that Bravo99 (aka AJB) has deleted his posts prior to being found out?
Now thats integrity! Would you like to employ someone like that?
I certainly would not like to work with someone like that.
"Of course I did the Check A.....I've signed for it haven't I"
"Yes I checked the fuel.......sorry I lied"
etc etc
Bronx,
Heres the thread you are after
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...t=walter+mitty
Basically; (cut & paste)
This guy got to know some pilots at either West or East Midlands ASU. Tells them he's an ATPL(A) and (H) with loads of airlines hours with BA, loads of corporate heli hours, no end of type ratings incl the EC135. Explains that he's had enough of the airlines, done what's worth doing and doesn't mind taking a big drop in salary because he wants a change and loves helicopters.He then applies for a job and puts in a very impressive CV. If he hasn't done it, it's not worth doing. The ASU backs him, start off giving him some obs flights, then give him 5 hours Police Ops line training in the 135 free of charge. He shines at the interview and gets the job. Then they find out everything he's said is all total bxxxxxxs. He's a PPL, and only for two years at that.
He gets arrested and confesses everything. Not surprisingly, he ends up in court for fraud.
But, surprise surprise, he gets off!!
WARNING - Bravo99 (akaAJB) has 30 mins on an Explorer !!!
Lied about his 4500hrs total
Admitted to putting out a false CV
And as I know this guy, can talk a good talk
This is spooky stuff
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Thanks for finding the thread - well worth reading again. 
Let's hope Bravo99 is just a harmless Walty Mitty type.
If he's truly got a professional licence that'd be real scary.
Let's hope Bravo99 is just a harmless Walty Mitty type.
If he's truly got a professional licence that'd be real scary.
hi guys,
hope you will enjoy the new week
The discussions about liars, false CV's, dangerous attitude and overreaching self-confidence remembers me on the thread Deadly stupid stunt . You know the helicopter crossed a bridge under the construction, the pilot sank the ship, the doc drowned. There was a space between construction and water from 5 m to fly the helo through, what means on a BO 105 to have round about 1m safety space!
Now it's clear, this crazy ass...le lied in his CV and added 1000h in criminal manner (with stolen army forms, duly completed by his home-PC) to his round about 1200 all in once hours to fulfill the requirements of the EMS operator. Sad to say he was fired immediately some months ago from an other operator (you have 30' to pack you belongings and leave the company ground) after the former CP (well done) saw from his hotel window a BO 105 doing really impressive acrobatics with PAX on a commercial flight!!! I would like to say, we don't need pilots like this in the business and not as colleagues. Honesty must be the first column in our business and any colleague and any Pax must be able to trust a pilot especially on single pilot ops. **** happens but honesty is important.
Warning!
Hope, most of you understand that the described ass..le is now professionally dead (means no company in middle europe would give him a cup of coffee free), unfortunately some years and a drowned doc to late, but have heard he is now stepping to US to try his luck in the land of the braves and ...! Allways wearing a good FAA license.
hope you will enjoy the new week
The discussions about liars, false CV's, dangerous attitude and overreaching self-confidence remembers me on the thread Deadly stupid stunt . You know the helicopter crossed a bridge under the construction, the pilot sank the ship, the doc drowned. There was a space between construction and water from 5 m to fly the helo through, what means on a BO 105 to have round about 1m safety space!
Now it's clear, this crazy ass...le lied in his CV and added 1000h in criminal manner (with stolen army forms, duly completed by his home-PC) to his round about 1200 all in once hours to fulfill the requirements of the EMS operator. Sad to say he was fired immediately some months ago from an other operator (you have 30' to pack you belongings and leave the company ground) after the former CP (well done) saw from his hotel window a BO 105 doing really impressive acrobatics with PAX on a commercial flight!!! I would like to say, we don't need pilots like this in the business and not as colleagues. Honesty must be the first column in our business and any colleague and any Pax must be able to trust a pilot especially on single pilot ops. **** happens but honesty is important.
Warning!
Hope, most of you understand that the described ass..le is now professionally dead (means no company in middle europe would give him a cup of coffee free), unfortunately some years and a drowned doc to late, but have heard he is now stepping to US to try his luck in the land of the braves and ...! Allways wearing a good FAA license.
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I have not lied about a false cv it is full and correct and I can prove it
the only time I make a mistake of cover and this was to try to avoid the situation that know unsues. was the 4500 late on in the discusions in one thread and I have explained why
but as you have clear access to all my details and are watching my every move it is pointless continueing on this site.
I made one mistake (or should I say two) one in trying to put my details for a job on a site for a post I knew i could not get under an cover of a friend)
2 in believing that if you try to be honest
my credentials are full and aqurate you have a ball in talking about what you think you know and fill your boots.
I made one mistake but boy it has opened my eyes.
I have cleared my details becouse I do not believe that there is any point of putting my imput onto a site like this all I have stated with the exception of the discusion over the weekend was with knowledge of the subject and is true and acurate.
And yes I am pleased that you think that you know me I have meet in the last 14 months both very interesting people and people I would not trust with my grandma,s cat. I am not going to insult you but well I have my own opinion.
I have not lied about a false cv it is full and correct and I can prove it
the only time I make a mistake of cover and this was to try to avoid the situation that know unsues. was the 4500 late on in the discusions in one thread and I have explained why
but as you have clear access to all my details and are watching my every move it is pointless continueing on this site.
I made one mistake (or should I say two) one in trying to put my details for a job on a site for a post I knew i could not get under an cover of a friend)
2 in believing that if you try to be honest
my credentials are full and aqurate you have a ball in talking about what you think you know and fill your boots.
I made one mistake but boy it has opened my eyes.
I have cleared my details becouse I do not believe that there is any point of putting my imput onto a site like this all I have stated with the exception of the discusion over the weekend was with knowledge of the subject and is true and acurate.
And yes I am pleased that you think that you know me I have meet in the last 14 months both very interesting people and people I would not trust with my grandma,s cat. I am not going to insult you but well I have my own opinion.
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Bravo 99,
Earlier, (before you deleted all your posts), you said you made a false CV to see how much info you could get.
The access I have to your details are purely from your profile and its up to you what is in there. (No Big Brother I'm afraid)
Quote,
"I have cleared my details becouse I do not believe that there is any point of putting my imput onto a site like this..."
Unquote.
Thanks for doing that, obviously trying to cover your tracks as best you can, shame that the people who haven't been following this over the weekend will miss out on this threads full story.
If you don't like this site, that is up to you, no-one has forced you here.
You threw down the gauntlet by saying, "It would be interesting if you would reveal to all your details as you clearly are keen on reveiling every one elses".
I Suggest you click on the button that says Profile on the top of this post.
Finally, I'm sure your Grandmas cat could scurry away better than you are able.
Earlier, (before you deleted all your posts), you said you made a false CV to see how much info you could get.
The access I have to your details are purely from your profile and its up to you what is in there. (No Big Brother I'm afraid)
Quote,
"I have cleared my details becouse I do not believe that there is any point of putting my imput onto a site like this..."
Unquote.
Thanks for doing that, obviously trying to cover your tracks as best you can, shame that the people who haven't been following this over the weekend will miss out on this threads full story.
If you don't like this site, that is up to you, no-one has forced you here.
You threw down the gauntlet by saying, "It would be interesting if you would reveal to all your details as you clearly are keen on reveiling every one elses".
I Suggest you click on the button that says Profile on the top of this post.
Finally, I'm sure your Grandmas cat could scurry away better than you are able.
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I was referring to the oil patch in Canada - sorry I should have made that more specific - naturally, offshore is more specialised, as was the job on the original post.
I was just making the point that everyone seems to be hung up on hours. While naturally important, they are not necessarily high on the list when I hire somebody.
If I get into a taxi, I do not expect to question the driver's qualifications, or tell them how to do their job, and neither do I expect people to do the same to me if I have been tested and approved by the relevant authorities and my company.
Phil
I was just making the point that everyone seems to be hung up on hours. While naturally important, they are not necessarily high on the list when I hire somebody.
If I get into a taxi, I do not expect to question the driver's qualifications, or tell them how to do their job, and neither do I expect people to do the same to me if I have been tested and approved by the relevant authorities and my company.
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All crap aside, lets get back to the hour issue, I don't buy the fact that people will think that an Instructor who has bashed circuits for 1000's of hours in an R22 is more capable of flying a large fully automated helicopter to land on a Helideck or carrying out other commercial operations.
There are quite a fair few budget airline pilots who went straight in with 250 hours now flying 737's and 757's
In the days of sponsership, trainees would finish with 135 hours in a piston, get instrument rated in a 206 and go straight in to get type rated on a multi engined Super Puma, obviously with an experienced training captain.
As far as I know there were never any problems with that practice.
They would be in the exact same boat as somebody going in there who has 2000 hours on a turbine, with no experience of offshore operations
Of course their is no substitute for experience but
You cannot tell me that hours are the be all and end all, sounds like a protectionist racket going on, old timers looking out for old timers!
There are quite a fair few budget airline pilots who went straight in with 250 hours now flying 737's and 757's
In the days of sponsership, trainees would finish with 135 hours in a piston, get instrument rated in a 206 and go straight in to get type rated on a multi engined Super Puma, obviously with an experienced training captain.
As far as I know there were never any problems with that practice.
They would be in the exact same boat as somebody going in there who has 2000 hours on a turbine, with no experience of offshore operations
Of course their is no substitute for experience but
You cannot tell me that hours are the be all and end all, sounds like a protectionist racket going on, old timers looking out for old timers!
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Best thread Ive seen on here for ages.
I am a low hours pilot and at this moment, I for one would not like to given the responsibilty of keeping safe pax, a highly expensive, complex machine and of course me.
The keeping safe pax and me speaks for itself but I'm sure even with my limited experience I could lift a twin into the air (after a quick skip through the AFM of course
) fly from A to B and put it down in a nice large landing site, clear of lots of obstructions and unusual approaches.
IMHO the issue of experience comes into play a lot when the **** hits the fan, either self induced or the machine lets you down, and knowing what the hell to do without your mind becoming overloaded and then having the skill to do it. Of course a good attitude and training count loads so that you dont get into those situations, but if you do manage to get to 10000 hours then somewhere along the line some buttock clenching moment must have happened at some stage.
A simple Robbie with simple systems has only a limited amount of things to go wrong and hence a limited amount of corrective actions and equipment to monitor. Also most people flying them will not be doing complex or highly skilled types of flying. Put them into a systems heavy twin with fare paying, pressure applying pax, a bucketful of calculations, unusual take-off and landing procedures, quadruple the emergency drills and systems monitoring that need to be known, plus probably 10 other factors I haven't written and then there is an accident waiting to happen.
I believe that the necessary instinctive actions required to fly the complex machines safely can only be accumulated over time but with good training and attitude in there as well.
As for PPF#1, I enjoy his postings most of the time and have learned to appreciate the "brutal honesty" of his posts, even if it is close to the bone on occasion. It certainly livens up the thread.
I am a low hours pilot and at this moment, I for one would not like to given the responsibilty of keeping safe pax, a highly expensive, complex machine and of course me.
The keeping safe pax and me speaks for itself but I'm sure even with my limited experience I could lift a twin into the air (after a quick skip through the AFM of course
) fly from A to B and put it down in a nice large landing site, clear of lots of obstructions and unusual approaches.IMHO the issue of experience comes into play a lot when the **** hits the fan, either self induced or the machine lets you down, and knowing what the hell to do without your mind becoming overloaded and then having the skill to do it. Of course a good attitude and training count loads so that you dont get into those situations, but if you do manage to get to 10000 hours then somewhere along the line some buttock clenching moment must have happened at some stage.
A simple Robbie with simple systems has only a limited amount of things to go wrong and hence a limited amount of corrective actions and equipment to monitor. Also most people flying them will not be doing complex or highly skilled types of flying. Put them into a systems heavy twin with fare paying, pressure applying pax, a bucketful of calculations, unusual take-off and landing procedures, quadruple the emergency drills and systems monitoring that need to be known, plus probably 10 other factors I haven't written and then there is an accident waiting to happen.
I believe that the necessary instinctive actions required to fly the complex machines safely can only be accumulated over time but with good training and attitude in there as well.
As for PPF#1, I enjoy his postings most of the time and have learned to appreciate the "brutal honesty" of his posts, even if it is close to the bone on occasion. It certainly livens up the thread.
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..... obviously with an experienced training captain.
If the 430 job that got WalterMitty99 in such a tizz had been for a second pilot in a 2 crew op he would have gotten different answers.
Bronx cheered:
At this point I have to rise to Bravo 99's defense...sort of. See, while "most of us" (this being a board for professional, working helo pilots) knew that the 430-on-a-boat gig was a single-pilot job, I don't believe Bravo 99/AJB did. I think he honestly thought that it was a two-crew situation in which he might snag the co-joe seat. And for that, I cannot blame him for trying. For that, he'd be qualified.
But he a) failed to make that clear in his original somewhat-garbled post, and b) got quite indignant and defensive (offensive?) at the resulting confusion when WWIII broke out.
A whole bunch of words could have been saved if, when he read my reply to his post, he'd simply said, "Oh, sorry old boy, I assumed there would be a P2 position open." Or, in his case, words to that effect.
If the 430 job that got WalterMitty99 in such a tizz had been for a second pilot in a 2 crew op he would have gotten different answers.
But he a) failed to make that clear in his original somewhat-garbled post, and b) got quite indignant and defensive (offensive?) at the resulting confusion when WWIII broke out.
A whole bunch of words could have been saved if, when he read my reply to his post, he'd simply said, "Oh, sorry old boy, I assumed there would be a P2 position open." Or, in his case, words to that effect.
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B99,
PLEASE stop deleting, and now editing your posts. It only has the effect of making you look silly and ruins what is a very good thread for everyone else.
SS
And now I have just seen that you have cleared your profile, well done.
Agreed PPF#1, but it wouldn't have been so much fun
PLEASE stop deleting, and now editing your posts. It only has the effect of making you look silly and ruins what is a very good thread for everyone else.
SS
And now I have just seen that you have cleared your profile, well done.
Agreed PPF#1, but it wouldn't have been so much fun
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I agree with you to a point, I have no doubt that you would be able to pick up a 430 and land it safely, and yes given hours and experience on type you could develop the knowledge to become more proficient, at flying that machine, however you will not get the opportunity to get that experience because people are now saying you need (about 2000 hours flying?)
My point is flying around a pattern or doing pipeline patrol for 2000 hours in a piston engine does not neccesaraly give you the airmanship or commercial decision making skills to operate a large tin arsed monster.
When large operaters are in Dire need of pilots they will take on anybody to fly left seat, this just shows that CO JO jobs advertised as 3/4000 hours required are a convenience factor for high time pilots and now insurance companies are starting to believe it.
Now if/when the next round of Helicopter jobs start popping up and operaters are in dire need of pilots they won't be allowed take them for insurance reasons.
How do you feel knowing that that you probably have more time in the air then then the guy flying your 737?
Does it bother you that much? Or are you content that he is well trained and is knowledgable in the systems he is using to complete the job.
I agree with you to a point, I have no doubt that you would be able to pick up a 430 and land it safely, and yes given hours and experience on type you could develop the knowledge to become more proficient, at flying that machine, however you will not get the opportunity to get that experience because people are now saying you need (about 2000 hours flying?)
My point is flying around a pattern or doing pipeline patrol for 2000 hours in a piston engine does not neccesaraly give you the airmanship or commercial decision making skills to operate a large tin arsed monster.
When large operaters are in Dire need of pilots they will take on anybody to fly left seat, this just shows that CO JO jobs advertised as 3/4000 hours required are a convenience factor for high time pilots and now insurance companies are starting to believe it.
Now if/when the next round of Helicopter jobs start popping up and operaters are in dire need of pilots they won't be allowed take them for insurance reasons.
How do you feel knowing that that you probably have more time in the air then then the guy flying your 737?
Does it bother you that much? Or are you content that he is well trained and is knowledgable in the systems he is using to complete the job.
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you new pilots should get a grip and try finding a job in the bush in Africa or somewhere. why the hell don't you approach the issue with a bit of realism? focus on the pistons or the light turbine work. forget about twins and corperate work and suck it up like the rest of us and do some hard years. you might even learn something. nobody with half a brain is going to had over a 2 million dollar aircraft to someone who hasn't got a clue about flying. don't bother arguing about it. us out here with +500hrs know because we were ****wits when we were there.
