Canada: Training & Employment prospects
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"If you are not full ATPL holder, you still have to do all the theory for CPL anyway, on top of 'training as required' and checkride."
What exams must be done if one comes to Canada to fly with a JAR ATPL (frozen)?
What exams must be done if one comes to Canada to fly with a JAR ATPL (frozen)?
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extended work permits Canada and Canadian Aviation Academy
Canadian Aviation Academy has this link -
News Release - Government of Canada introduces changes to work permits for international students, making Canada more attractive for skilled individuals
which implies you can stay in Canada to work for 3 years unrestricted after qualifying there.
Company previously known as priacademy.com -Anyone any experience of either?? Seem highly competitive rates!
News Release - Government of Canada introduces changes to work permits for international students, making Canada more attractive for skilled individuals
which implies you can stay in Canada to work for 3 years unrestricted after qualifying there.
Company previously known as priacademy.com -Anyone any experience of either?? Seem highly competitive rates!
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So you come here to do your Canadian CPL (JAA no good here) then you try to get a job.
I am turning down Canadian citizens every day with 100 hours and a CPL.
You will have to have a job to get a work permit and you have to have a work permit to get a job.
So you get a job as an instructor at the flight school where you did your training and end up with 1000 instructor hours.
Still I can't give you a job as you do not have enough hours, but you have too many to start at the bottom.
Beware of entering into this type of 'arranged employment' scams with flight schools and certainly do not send money up front. Read all about Silverstate (I think) before you think about this.
I am turning down Canadian citizens every day with 100 hours and a CPL.
You will have to have a job to get a work permit and you have to have a work permit to get a job.
So you get a job as an instructor at the flight school where you did your training and end up with 1000 instructor hours.
Still I can't give you a job as you do not have enough hours, but you have too many to start at the bottom.
Beware of entering into this type of 'arranged employment' scams with flight schools and certainly do not send money up front. Read all about Silverstate (I think) before you think about this.
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The license will be an ICAO license and needs to be converted to a JAA license if you want to work in Europe. The pittfall is that for a Canadian CPL you'll only need 100 hours which is 'cheap' but doesn't give you enough hours to be able to do a JAA license (185 hours). Better and cheaper could be an US FAA license and as of december this year the Canadians will give you a Canadian CPL on the basis of an FAA one. £25000 won't be enough however (not even close)
The cheapest country to train in would probably be South Africa at the moment. However not easy and you'll need 200 hours for a CPL(H).
The cheapest country to train in would probably be South Africa at the moment. However not easy and you'll need 200 hours for a CPL(H).
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I believe New Zealand could be cheaper. CPL is 150 hours, we have mountains (Real ones) and a sling rating is part of the syllabus too.
I did my CPL (with a 23000hr instructor) for just on $40k NZ (14000 pounds) which included medicals, exams and a full time 12 week cpl theory course.
Of course to do this I purchased a share in an R22 with a reputable syndicate for 9k and sold it on for 9k on completion of my licence.
Your Stirling would go a very long way here.
If you want some contacts then PM me and I can put you on to the right people here.
HK
I believe New Zealand could be cheaper. CPL is 150 hours, we have mountains (Real ones) and a sling rating is part of the syllabus too.
I did my CPL (with a 23000hr instructor) for just on $40k NZ (14000 pounds) which included medicals, exams and a full time 12 week cpl theory course.
Of course to do this I purchased a share in an R22 with a reputable syndicate for 9k and sold it on for 9k on completion of my licence.
Your Stirling would go a very long way here.
If you want some contacts then PM me and I can put you on to the right people here.
HK
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The license will be an ICAO license and needs to be converted to a JAA license if you want to work in Europe. The pittfall is that for a Canadian CPL you'll only need 100 hours which is 'cheap' but doesn't give you enough hours to be able to do a JAA license (185 hours). Better and cheaper could be an US FAA license and as of december this year the Canadians will give you a Canadian CPL on the basis of an FAA one. £25000 won't be enough however (not even close)
The cheapest country to train in would probably be South Africa at the moment. However not easy and you'll need 200 hours for a CPL(H).
The cheapest country to train in would probably be South Africa at the moment. However not easy and you'll need 200 hours for a CPL(H).
Best to train in the country you want to work in.
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£25K is not even close, as someone said. It's not just the licence you will need, but a specialist qualififcation on top, such as a mountain course or longlining or even an IR if you want to go down that route. Then there's travelling around Canada looking for a job, for which you need something you can sleep in.
This is not trying to put you off as it is a good industry over there, but trying to make sure you don't run out of steam halfway! Go for it, but you need to be aware of the above. PM me about study materials if you wish.
The (Canadian) Helicopters magazine publishes a list of all the operators, as does Vertical, and Canada411 is the telephone directory if you want to search for flight schools.
If you're talking about employment after training, Great Slave might be an option, but all the schools and companies know each other and could place you anyway if they think you are good enough.
Phil
This is not trying to put you off as it is a good industry over there, but trying to make sure you don't run out of steam halfway! Go for it, but you need to be aware of the above. PM me about study materials if you wish.
The (Canadian) Helicopters magazine publishes a list of all the operators, as does Vertical, and Canada411 is the telephone directory if you want to search for flight schools.
If you're talking about employment after training, Great Slave might be an option, but all the schools and companies know each other and could place you anyway if they think you are good enough.
Phil
I wouldn't advise spending any cash on mountain courses or IR training, as no operator that I know of would send a low hour pilot into the mountains. Any reputable Canadian companies which need you to fly in the mountains will put you through a mountain course once you have enough experience. By the way, you don't need a mountain course to fly in the mountains, it's just that certain customers like BC Forestry require it, therefore most companies adopt it if they want to be eligible for BC Forestry work.
An IR may help you into a co-pilots seat once you have some turbine command under your belt, but again no-one in their right mind would let a low hour guy PIC in IMC.
There are a lot of Canadian low hour pilots looking for work, but it appears that a lot of them don't want to come up north so that's a good place to look. Very cold & long winters, but lots of work when it's warm. You might get very lucky & score a seat straight up but I doubt it, so be prepared to spend a year on the ground here. Things have slowed down considerably here this season, & I think a lot of pilots coming over from other countries(like I did) in the near future might be a little dissapointed. Good luck.
An IR may help you into a co-pilots seat once you have some turbine command under your belt, but again no-one in their right mind would let a low hour guy PIC in IMC.
There are a lot of Canadian low hour pilots looking for work, but it appears that a lot of them don't want to come up north so that's a good place to look. Very cold & long winters, but lots of work when it's warm. You might get very lucky & score a seat straight up but I doubt it, so be prepared to spend a year on the ground here. Things have slowed down considerably here this season, & I think a lot of pilots coming over from other countries(like I did) in the near future might be a little dissapointed. Good luck.
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Any one know whether there are ever job opportunities in Canada for experienced helo pilots in their police aviation sector or do you have to be a Canadian citizen and or police officer too?
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You won't necessarily need to be a police officer (though I suppose it might help), but the only real force in Canada in this area is Calgary, if you will pardon the pun - Phil Haworth is the Chief Pilot. The Calgary police do require an ATP plus IR. Of course, there's always the RCMP. If I remember rightly, you can either be a Canadian citizen or have a work permit, but preference is given to citizens.
Heliduck - I can name at least one company that was sending 100-hour guys into Penticton to collect Jetrangers and fly them back to Calgary. Go figure.
Phil
Heliduck - I can name at least one company that was sending 100-hour guys into Penticton to collect Jetrangers and fly them back to Calgary. Go figure.
Phil
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there's the odd company that will put low timers in the mountains, depending on the situation...i started mountain flying right out of training, doing (obviously) the easier jobs. i don't think i would have been as comfortable with it if i hadn't done my CPL course in the mountains though...
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Late Season Jobs ?
Gentleman,
Anyone know of any late season jobs for an American with Canadian CPL, 3000 TT, 206/407/350 endorsements, BCFS Mountain Course and "intro" to longline but no real production or longline experience, ie. an entry level job ? Also need a company that would sponsor me for a work permit of course.
I do not want to take a job away from a real Canadian pilot of course. You guys are the best !!
I've sent resumes to most everyone, getting ready to hit the phones.
Thanx
Anyone know of any late season jobs for an American with Canadian CPL, 3000 TT, 206/407/350 endorsements, BCFS Mountain Course and "intro" to longline but no real production or longline experience, ie. an entry level job ? Also need a company that would sponsor me for a work permit of course.
I do not want to take a job away from a real Canadian pilot of course. You guys are the best !!
I've sent resumes to most everyone, getting ready to hit the phones.
Thanx
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Hmm - don't want to rain on your parade, but your best bet is to hope things get busy and people start getting timexed on fires at this stage, but many companies won't go through the dangerous goods and WHMIS process just for that - layoffs usually start happening in early September in any case.
Work permit process takes about 60 days, if I remember right, most of which is taken up with advertising in local papers for Canadians, but some companies apply for john doe paperwork and fill in the names at the last minute - you may be lucky.
Good luck!
Phil
Work permit process takes about 60 days, if I remember right, most of which is taken up with advertising in local papers for Canadians, but some companies apply for john doe paperwork and fill in the names at the last minute - you may be lucky.
Good luck!
Phil
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FAA to TC
Just been lookin ghtrough the TC site and found the section on FAA to TC license conversion free ride. Am I right in reading it applies to the Airplane Category only? If so, why not Helicopters, and is it due to change?
Thanks
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Hit the road Jack.
Resumes and phones are worthless, as they have always been, in every industry.
My friend and I walked in unannounced off the street in Canada last month and were offered full time immediate starts at 5 of the 10 companies we visited- good companies, not ****ty little unheard of ones. And this was before we had even sat the TC flight test.
I run a company in Oz; resumes go in the bin unless they are handed to me in person over a cup of coffee. Every place I have ever been into for work, including all those in CAN say the same thing.
Sorry for the lecture!!! Get driving and good luck.
Resumes and phones are worthless, as they have always been, in every industry.
My friend and I walked in unannounced off the street in Canada last month and were offered full time immediate starts at 5 of the 10 companies we visited- good companies, not ****ty little unheard of ones. And this was before we had even sat the TC flight test.
I run a company in Oz; resumes go in the bin unless they are handed to me in person over a cup of coffee. Every place I have ever been into for work, including all those in CAN say the same thing.
Sorry for the lecture!!! Get driving and good luck.
The bloom is off the rose!
As`I have a minute on this fine Sunday morning, let me say this about Canada.
I am a Chief Pilot for a medium sized Western Canadian company, operating 2-206,s, 8-350 b2,s, and 2-205,s in a variety of applications.
We have been very busy over the past 10 years, and at times have found it very difficult to find experienced crew for all our machines, but never would we put in a low time, or in-experienced pilot.
In the past few years we have become aware of Foreign pilots applying to work for us and not being able to verify their hours and work experience. We have even on a few occasions taken a candidate out for a inital flight and found their skills grossly over exagerated.
If you are going to come to Canada to try to find work, you must be able to verify your hours, and your work experience with a stamped log book, and a letter from your previous employer on company stationary with a contactable phone number of the Chief Pilot, or equivalent.
The loose network of Chief Pilots here do talk to each other, and we do have an un-official list of suspicous pilots, and we share our information!
Lastley, we have an excess of low time Canadian pilots, and by law, we have to hire a Canadian pilot first, if they meet the reqirements.
If you have less than 500 hours, you will most likely not get a job, see above.
If you have verifiable 500-1000 hours, you might get a job in the spring, early summer.
If you have verifiable 1000 hours plus, verifiable long line time, verifiable mtn course from a Canadian company, you will be employable, and most likely get a job.
Lastley, there is a Global economic slowdown happening, and for the first time in years, our company is going to lay off pilots this winter. Our industry has slowed down this summer, and all indications are pointing to a slowing economy, and less hours being flown.
I wish all of you the best of luck, and remember, if your thinking of coming to Canada to work, you must be able to verify your hours and experience, otherwise, you will find it tough sledding thanks to a few rotten apples.
I am a Chief Pilot for a medium sized Western Canadian company, operating 2-206,s, 8-350 b2,s, and 2-205,s in a variety of applications.
We have been very busy over the past 10 years, and at times have found it very difficult to find experienced crew for all our machines, but never would we put in a low time, or in-experienced pilot.
In the past few years we have become aware of Foreign pilots applying to work for us and not being able to verify their hours and work experience. We have even on a few occasions taken a candidate out for a inital flight and found their skills grossly over exagerated.
If you are going to come to Canada to try to find work, you must be able to verify your hours, and your work experience with a stamped log book, and a letter from your previous employer on company stationary with a contactable phone number of the Chief Pilot, or equivalent.
The loose network of Chief Pilots here do talk to each other, and we do have an un-official list of suspicous pilots, and we share our information!
Lastley, we have an excess of low time Canadian pilots, and by law, we have to hire a Canadian pilot first, if they meet the reqirements.
If you have less than 500 hours, you will most likely not get a job, see above.
If you have verifiable 500-1000 hours, you might get a job in the spring, early summer.
If you have verifiable 1000 hours plus, verifiable long line time, verifiable mtn course from a Canadian company, you will be employable, and most likely get a job.
Lastley, there is a Global economic slowdown happening, and for the first time in years, our company is going to lay off pilots this winter. Our industry has slowed down this summer, and all indications are pointing to a slowing economy, and less hours being flown.
I wish all of you the best of luck, and remember, if your thinking of coming to Canada to work, you must be able to verify your hours and experience, otherwise, you will find it tough sledding thanks to a few rotten apples.
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If you have less than 500 hours, you will most likely not get a job, see above.
If you have verifiable 500-1000 hours, you might get a job in the spring, early summer.
If you have verifiable 1000 hours plus, verifiable long line time, verifiable mtn course from a Canadian company, you will be employable, and most likely get a job.
If you have verifiable 500-1000 hours, you might get a job in the spring, early summer.
If you have verifiable 1000 hours plus, verifiable long line time, verifiable mtn course from a Canadian company, you will be employable, and most likely get a job.
Good news for me
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FAA to TC
I just talked to someone in TC and they told me the FAA to TC license conversion still involves all the commercial exams and a flight test. There are no immediate plans to bring it into line with plank conversions (a 20 question exam only)... Does anyone have concrete info to the contrary?