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Old 1st Oct 2005, 21:28
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I thought the old adage was...

Never fly the 'A' model of anything!!

Schweizers are great little helicopters; the A is not as good as the C (does this one have fuel injection?) but, if the maintenance checks out..... I'd probably go for it!!

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Old 1st Oct 2005, 21:53
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Well, I had a partner and we bought a 269B at a good price. However, that was just the beginning... It got very expensive because of worn out or timed out components. So you gotta make sure you know what you're getting into. It might be a good idea to have an engineer go over the machine - even if it costs a bit.
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Old 2nd Oct 2005, 04:31
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I would certainly get some very careful advice on a 68 269 - especially if it's been used for training - i've seen the bills when these old machines go bad.....it aint pleasant !
 
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I have heard that the A model has some sort of weird pressure carburettor that is very troublesome. lots of failures apparently.
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Thanks guys.......
For the record....she's fuel injected (one tick for the pros then)
Please keep the opinions coming !

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Old 2nd Oct 2005, 14:38
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Our "B" had fuel injection and it was trouble free (about the only thing that was!) I assume it's the same Bendix system as the "A" although I seem to to recall that the "A" is 180 hp vs. 190 for the "B". So hopefully that's at least one thing in your favour.
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I believe she's 160 horse.......and about 4400 total hours........
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Old 2nd Oct 2005, 15:35
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Is it G-SSHP ?

If it is I air tested the machine after its last annual inspection june 29. It had just had new main rotor drive shaft. Someone has spent a lot of money getting her up together. It is 24v, fuel injected, with a normal electrical clutch, good glass and it flies like a dream. I suppose if you are buying a share it depends on how much and what the monthly costs are. On the open market it would be 45K at max.

Don't expect to go very far very fast, flat out is about 70 kts !
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Hi H500, thanks for the post. I guess you meant G-SHPP 'cos she did have the mast changed just recently.

The share is offered at 7k.......125 a month in the communal 'pot',and then 150 per 'wet' hour.....

How does that sound ?

Kev

.......that was for a 6th share...

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Old 2nd Oct 2005, 20:25
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Oops, it's been a while. Yes, the "C" has 190 hp, the "B" 180, and the "A" 160 hp, if I am correct. One other thing about the "A": it's a little short on tail rotor authority so it can keep you from falling asleep in gusty conditions.
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Hi Rotornut.....I too had heard that about the tail rotor.....thanks mate.......(one tick for the cons).

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The A models that I flew had a cruise speed of 70kts and a VNE of 75kts. This was attributed to a number of bubbles letting go...always flew with a helmet! Does she have oil filled drag dampers or elastomeric (spelling..sorry)? The oil filled models are fantastic for sharpening up your ground resonance recognition and recoverys. Engine RPM will want to be kept right at the top of the green especially when taxying downwind....bloody paddle pop sticks would have more authority. Make sure that the aft cluster has had any AD's carried out...very expensive I believe. The list does go on a bit sorry. FBD
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Yup, your right I got the reg wrong ! I think 150 an hour wet is very high. My school currently rents out 300C's ( 1990 or newer ) for 195 hour wet ( plus vat) and thats before you get a discount for a block of hours.
The C model is streets ahead on an A eg 2 x 16 stone people 49 gals of fuel and still do a towering take off plus an 80 kt cruise !
as already stated watch the t/r it will give you a nasty surprise in a moderate wind !
All I would say is why buy and have a running cost plus hassle greater than being able to rent ?
Best of luck, PM me if you want more info
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Hi FBD

Thanks for your input

Too true on the VNE...but slow flying's better than no flying, LOL

The bubble is apparently "good"....

The dampers are the elastomeric type....with about 2600 hours remaining

Kind regards

Kev

Oh...and the rear clusters have been replaced to comply with the AD.
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Hughes/Schweizer 300

My new CFI (female and attractive) has challenged me with a question as I am going for my CFI. I need to know why the weight and balance envelope is missing a triangular piece on the lower right hand corner.
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Old 12th Jan 2006, 00:08
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Re: Schweizer 300C W/B Envelope

How many fuel tanks does it have?

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....also female and incredibly stunning!!!
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Re: Schweizer 300C W/B Envelope

because it wasn't needed.

is that all you have to know to become a helicopter intructor????????????
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Old 12th Jan 2006, 00:32
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Re: Schweizer 300C W/B Envelope

because thats the way schweizer made it

ask her if she knows the answer to these questions

- when you push the cyclic forward the swashplate tilts forward and left. given gryoscopic precession, why doesnt the swashplate tilt right?

- why is the horizontal tail rotor stabiliser mounted at an angle?

- why does the helicopter have a tendency to yaw left during the flare portion of an auto?

- why does the helicopter hang left skid low in the hover?
 
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Re: Schweizer 300C W/B Envelope

Please someone post the answers before I scratch a hole in my head.
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Re: Schweizer 300C W/B Envelope

Because it would be out of balance here if you were in that missing triangle.
ask her why the top left corner is missing too !!!
If she is that attractive send her over here !
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