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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...&category=2983
having a check in ebay i found this, anyone brave enough to give it ago?
having a check in ebay i found this, anyone brave enough to give it ago?
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Briefly being serious for a moment (why? - godnose).
If you want to amateur-build a helicopter in the UK, forget it, it's impossible.
Why? - well it's been tried, and one or two Rotorway execs slipped through the loop, but...
- PFA have decided it's not core business and they're not interested.
- BMAA, ditto.
- CAA have decided that they now won't deal with anybody but a UK approved company - and getting that approval will probably cost you more than buying your own (new!) R44.
So, for reasons of internal politics of those three organisations, it's impossible to design and build your own helicopter, or to import a foreign kit (including some rather more rational ones than this appears to be).
I'm not defending this situation, nor do I propose to tell you why I know this, but trust me - it's true.
G
If you want to amateur-build a helicopter in the UK, forget it, it's impossible.
Why? - well it's been tried, and one or two Rotorway execs slipped through the loop, but...
- PFA have decided it's not core business and they're not interested.
- BMAA, ditto.
- CAA have decided that they now won't deal with anybody but a UK approved company - and getting that approval will probably cost you more than buying your own (new!) R44.
So, for reasons of internal politics of those three organisations, it's impossible to design and build your own helicopter, or to import a foreign kit (including some rather more rational ones than this appears to be).
I'm not defending this situation, nor do I propose to tell you why I know this, but trust me - it's true.
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Genghis, I am aware that both the PFA and BMMA are out of there depth as far as helicopters are concerned, but I am not convinced that the CAA have limited there acceptance to only approved UK companies, What is the definition of a UK approved company?. I have the VLH helicopter draft document specifying the requirements for a homebuilt piston powered very light helicopter. The question of me being a UK approved company has never been raised. I was asked some time ago by the CAA if the machine I have registered with them was still under development. There was never any mention of the builder having to be a company. Is there something I should know? Thanks, Bug.
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Personally I'd rather deal with the Chief Engineers of BMAA and PFA than much of CAA, but maybe that's just me. I think both are rather more helpful and has on-tap expertise at-least as great as most of CAA.
CAA decided a few years ago that it would only accept reports from an "approved company", that is approved within the terms of FAR-21, JAR-21 or BCAR Section A. They will accept reports from overseas companies approved by their own national authority - but CAA won't accept reports from anybody in the UK who isn't an approved company, nor will they give approval to anybody outside the UK.
This messed up a number of small consultancies and killed the attempts to certify the Masquito helicopter dead when it was brought in about 2 years ago. It's totally separate to the use of JAR-VLR or BCAR-VLH which don't mention company approval issues.
And trust me, if you are an approved company you'll know about it from the certificate on the wall and annual £3-5k bill for the privilege. You may have been granted "grandfather rights" when you weren't looking, but I wouldn't bank on it.
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CAA decided a few years ago that it would only accept reports from an "approved company", that is approved within the terms of FAR-21, JAR-21 or BCAR Section A. They will accept reports from overseas companies approved by their own national authority - but CAA won't accept reports from anybody in the UK who isn't an approved company, nor will they give approval to anybody outside the UK.
This messed up a number of small consultancies and killed the attempts to certify the Masquito helicopter dead when it was brought in about 2 years ago. It's totally separate to the use of JAR-VLR or BCAR-VLH which don't mention company approval issues.
And trust me, if you are an approved company you'll know about it from the certificate on the wall and annual £3-5k bill for the privilege. You may have been granted "grandfather rights" when you weren't looking, but I wouldn't bank on it.
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Regretfully Thomas, the uk will lose out yet again. Off to the states we will be. Together with my high, high, hight, inertia system thats going to make mustering safe as houses. How does a machine with no avoid curve grab you. Bug . Ps When I was talking to Stephan from Masquito the other week, he indicated they were near CAA approval.
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bugdevheli,
A couple of months ago, a gentleman at CAA e-mailed to say that JAR-VLR has been approved by the JAA's executive committee for adoption as an airworthiness code. He also mentioned that it is currently with the printers and will be available to the public via the usual sources on 1 September this year.
A question; Can you, or anyone, please advise the name and address of a "usual source" where a copy can be ordered, for mailing to a foreign country?
Thanks.
A couple of months ago, a gentleman at CAA e-mailed to say that JAR-VLR has been approved by the JAA's executive committee for adoption as an airworthiness code. He also mentioned that it is currently with the printers and will be available to the public via the usual sources on 1 September this year.
A question; Can you, or anyone, please advise the name and address of a "usual source" where a copy can be ordered, for mailing to a foreign country?
Thanks.
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Dave Jackson. As soon as I can run off a copy I will send you one. This would of course be a copy of the draft copy which I believe would be the same as the latest one. I will E mail you for an address as soon as I have a copy for you. Regards Bug
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All the current JAA codes can be downloaded for free at...
http://www.jaa.nl/section1/jarsec1.html
I do hope that the Masquito does get UK approval, they seem a pleasant and competent bunch of chaps who certainly had done nothing to deserve the cold shoulder they seem to have got up to now from the entire UK airworthiness system. It would be interesting, if anybody knows, to find out what the legal route is if they are finally succeeding - although hazarding a guess they're probably "in-bed" with an existing UK design approved company.
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http://www.jaa.nl/section1/jarsec1.html
I do hope that the Masquito does get UK approval, they seem a pleasant and competent bunch of chaps who certainly had done nothing to deserve the cold shoulder they seem to have got up to now from the entire UK airworthiness system. It would be interesting, if anybody knows, to find out what the legal route is if they are finally succeeding - although hazarding a guess they're probably "in-bed" with an existing UK design approved company.
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The masquito looks quite inteersting and at 3.5 gals/hr @ 80knts would be fantastic, Can the figures they have given be believed?
Good we site masquito.be/
I hope it comes off but I won't hold my breath, well not in the UK anyway
Good we site masquito.be/
I hope it comes off but I won't hold my breath, well not in the UK anyway
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To take this matter further. I was at Helitech yesterday and came across a small booth #1814 where Yoshine Helicopters were introducing the EzyCopter, a twin engined personal coaxial helicopter.
Do I understand that if this becomes a flying reality and I wanted to build one here and fly it in the UK, I couldn't due to regulations?
Do I understand that if this becomes a flying reality and I wanted to build one here and fly it in the UK, I couldn't due to regulations?
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Genghis,
Thanks for the link to the Joint Aviation Authorities JAR-VLR, Initial Issue.
bugdevheli,
The date on the above document is '01.09.03'. If this means 'Sept./1/2003', then it must be the one mentioned by the gentleman at CAA. This being the case, there is no need to mail me a copy of yours, but thanks for offering to do so.
Head Turner,
Tell the authorities that it's not a helicopter. You're just developing an easy-chair with overhead fan, for your living-room.
Thanks for the link to the Joint Aviation Authorities JAR-VLR, Initial Issue.
bugdevheli,
The date on the above document is '01.09.03'. If this means 'Sept./1/2003', then it must be the one mentioned by the gentleman at CAA. This being the case, there is no need to mail me a copy of yours, but thanks for offering to do so.
Head Turner,
Tell the authorities that it's not a helicopter. You're just developing an easy-chair with overhead fan, for your living-room.
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