Pilotwolf
 

Exactly wolfie,

How narrow minded to think we are the only beings to inhabit the never ending universe.

Just because we cannot see other life forms does not mean they do not exist.
We are in the 3rd dimension (thick and dense) there are many many others who inhabit higher dimensions that vibrate at a faster rate, therefore invisible to our earthly sight.
It is only when those who visit us lower their vibration that we can physically see them.

You will have all the proof you want when you finally pass over into a higher vibration and leave the body behind (death)
Nothing to worry about, you have done it many times before!
As they say in the classics...You'll be back.
:ooh: :ooh: :ooh: thats a whole new subject.

Think outside the square

Several years ago I witnessed several interesting lights at fairly low level over the Industial Areas of Teeside at night time. The lights were fixed Blueish White. One after another about 6 single lights flew from Teeside to overhead my appartment(3 floors up) at a place called Marske by the sea and then on to a place called Saltburn. Here they, in single file turned around and reversed their route back to Teeside. The lights were single with no other lights present and most strangely of all there was absolutely no sound whatsoever, even though the objects were directly overhead and low level???

Thanks HD
 

All very good accounts

You seem very convinced, and as an aviation professional, that must give the sceptics something to think about

Cheers

This is a strange one, saw the link on another site:

Aircraft hits unknown object in flight

Middle of the night ( of course), flying SIN-UK five years ago, near Aralsk and admiring the numerous flares from the gas/oil fields. Suddenly one of these "flares" begins, ever so slowly, to apparently move upwards into the sky........ here I am, 25 years of Aviation, keen amateur astronomer and definite non-believer, wondering if this is my first "UFO" ........up the flare goes, gaining speed and beginning to drift to the right. Then the penny dropped, it was Russian rocket launch...we watched this thing for about 5-10 miniutes, including staging, as it hammered off past our three O'Clock and off horizontally across the NE horizon. We later reckoned we were within 150 km of the launch site but never a squeak from ATC - plenty of air to air chat though
From the web the next day found out it was a Soyuz booster launching an unmanned payload.
Goes to show there's always something out there that can take you by surprise, but in this case it wasn't LGM

Shropshire Lad,

what was the Shawbury incident? I spent a couple of years there and have never heard of it.

Stout

Facinating reading. Red transfer marks all over the front of the plane and the've no idea what it hit. I'm slightly surprised they gave up so easily on trying to match the paint. They simply say something like... it doesn't match the samples we were given to compare with. How many companies make red paint for aircraft use?

Apparently a Met Officer in the early 90's was on duty at RAF Shawbury in the early hours of the morning and saw a large disk shaped object (I think the description of size was about 747 size) drifting across the countryside shooting what appeared to be a laser towards the ground. I haven't got Nick Pope's book with me but from what I recall it moved very slowly in the vicinity of Shawbury then shot off towards the south. It was also seen over Cosford by someone on guard duty and reported independently. Nick Pope got the official report beng the civil servant on the 'UFO desk' and as I say seems to think it quite a significant sighting.

If I remember correctly Shawbury also featured in one of Jenny Randles books as she was told about strange radar traces when she gave a talk there.

I've seen a few unusual things in my time but - having lived 8 miles from Shawbury for a number of years - never anything there!!

Thomas Preziose's sister Moira has a web site at:

caravancrash.com

It includes the entire NTSB docket. Several of the photographs of the "red transfer marks" are striking and difficult to explain.

The marks are not paint, by the way. The analysis indicates phthalate-based polymers - more likely from some sort of coating on a composite.

One theory is that N76U experienced wake turbulence from the crossing DC-10, however, this cargo aircraft was empty and in level flight, and the time of the accident may preclude a wake encounter. More importantly, the wake theory does not account for the transfer marks - though the NTSB now seems to be backpedalling by exploring the possibility that the marks came from somewhere inside the accident aircraft.

The other theory, explored in excruciating detail by a poster on the caravancrash.com forum, is that a third aircraft, possibly a rotorcraft, was travelling north, opposite to the DC-10's course, and encountered the Caravan in midair. Composite construction and the lack of a transponder may explain why ATC was unaware of this traffic, however, the poster probably does not explain the absence of wreckage from this aircraft or why it was not reported missing. Perhaps it was a drug plane or a homebuilder out for a non-FAA-sanctioned joyride (in IMC, at night), but neither is really a satisfactory explanation.

The military drone, UAV, high-tech black project hypothesis has been denied by the relevant authorities and, in truth, it seems unlikely. Drones surely show up on radar (isn't that the idea?) and it is difficult to imagine the military risking an expensive prototype by flying it at night in IMC on a victor airway near a (sort-of) busy airport.

So, do LGM use phthalate polymers in their scout craft?

I have come across my copy of the "The Centaurus Incident" Sorry to be in haste. just snippits

June 29 1954 Labrador Capt James Howard and it says a BOAC Centaurus Boeing Stratocruiser – though i could have sworn that the Beeb interview said Imperial Airways — but it was years ago. Idlewild to London 9:05 pm F/O Lee Boyd

One big lighted object - with six smaller ones in attendance. 8 crew and 14 pax saw object change shape — size of an ocean liner

Navigator George Allen watched closely the whole time said " it looked as though they went inside the big one"

Sound familiar?

Infestation
 

I am sorry to say, but this forum has been infested by one of the more extreme UFO organisations, the UK Forum for Disclosure (UKFFD). If you take a look at their website, you will see what I mean by extreme - they believe just about every conspiracy theory going, including the JFK assasination, free energy devices, the moon landings having been hoaxed, and US Government complicity in the 9/11 attack for instance. If you take a look at their web site, http://www.ukffd.org/index.html , you will see what I mean.

At least one of their "representatives" is prominent in a British based UFO cult, the "Aetherius Society", though this individual has kept a low profile recently. Some of the content of the presentations mounted by the UKFFD or UKDP (UK Disclosure project as it has been called) is similar to Aetherian dogma.

Believe it or not, there is a more balanced and rational side to ufology. I administer a mail-list for people interested in UK ufology. We currently have over 800 registered members, including accomplished UK authors, researchers, and investigators of the topic. For those who haven't been put off by the antics of extreme groups such as the UKFFD and the "Disclosure Project", you might be interested in taking an active or passive part in the mail list. If so, you can register (free) at:

http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/ufologyinuk

Please note that these groups like the UKFFD and the Aetherius Society are not regarded as mainstream by serious ufologists, but are on the fringes of the fringe!.

Regards,
Joe McGonagle

Interesting occurances Heathrow director. Certainly many unidentified objects.

There is a good chance that numbers 3 and 4 could be Venus - often quite visible in broad daylight high overhead, and lookslike a wx balloon. I know cos I saw the shiny object as you described and it took me a while to ascertain what it was.

As for the others, well who knows! :suspect:

Infestation
 

I see that most of the conspiracy stuff has been taken off the UKFFD site, but you can see the kind of beliefs that they hold at the personal website of one of their "representatives", Dean Rose at:

http://www.newrevolution.bravehost.com/index.html

Joe

<<There is a good chance that numbers 3 and 4 could be Venus - often quite visible in broad daylight high overhead, and lookslike a wx balloon. I know cos I saw the shiny object as you described and it took me a while to ascertain what it was.>>

Many thanks for the feedback CT. Unfortunately it wasn't Venus, which at the time was much lower in the western sky. The object we saw was virtually overhead - just a little northeast - to start and it gradually moved eastward. Venus would move towards the northwest, getting lower, so it was in a wholly different area of the sky.

One thing I find striking about some of these reports of objects moving at incredible speeds is that there never seem to be any reports of an associated sonic boom. If there were, then it would certainly add a further dimension of credibility to some of the witness statements; however, I fear that the converse is also true, in that an eyewitness account of a supersonic object seems less credible without an accompanying boom.

Hia people,

In defense of the statement that has been made by Joe Mcgonogal (professional debunker,) I just wish to say that the Disclosure Project and UKFFD is in no way a ufo cult, nor are we realted to Aetherius or any other group of individuals. My personal belief of US government involvement in 9-11 has nothing to do with the work I am doing on disclosing the truth of ufos/ETI.

We can present evidence and we have presented some of this to Joe. He doesn't accept our evidence as valid. We do, and we can explain why, to anyone who is willing to listen to us. We believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion - including Joe. We try to base all that we say on evidence and testimony. Contact us to see copies of this evidence. Only when people are presented with the evidence can they make an informed decision.

Feel free to check our website and :

1) Find links to the Aetherius Society (there aren't any). The person he is referring to I believe is Ananda Sirisena who is NOT involved with UKFFD, and never has been.
2) Check the reference and links to statements by Edgar Mitchell and Gordon cooper (both former astronauts)
3) Read through the other pages and check facts.

You can then come to a judgement as to the validity, or relevance of Joe M's post

I don't wish to drag this forum into any childish slugging matches, but I feel Joe has wantonly slandered and lied about myself and my friends and colleagues to promote his own cause. Our disagreement should have remained between Joe and myself, which arose from me previously being on his group, and us disagreeing on certain views. He has chosen to grind his axe in public, and so I apologise for it being in this forum.

I will not write again rergarding this issue whatever is said, as I do not wish to undermine such a legitimate issue.

Love and Light

Dean Rose

Pielander. An object with which I was involved was seen clearly with naked eyes and tracked on radar at immensely high speed but no sound was heard, neither from any propulsion unit nor sonic boom. If these entities can fly fast without making a sound then as sure as God made little green apples they could surely avoid making sonic booms.

Some footage:Need Quick-Time to view



http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/a1999/feb/timnw.mpeg
Cigare shaped UFO

http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/sts48b.mpeg
NASA footage of UFO;S

UFO footage from STS-48 mission again, taken aboard the Space Shuttle Discovery in September 1991. A dramatic piece of shuttle footage. Several UFOs are seen moving about the atmosphere at great speed and what appears to be weapons fire, is seemingly directed toward them. One even appears to be hit in some of the better generation video tapes of this event. Is this a secret Star Wars test? Check out this excellent footage!


http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/sts80.mpeg

NASA footage from the space shuttle Columbia during mission STS-80 above the Earth during a thunderstorm.Day 13 of the Mission on December the 1st 1996. There are well over a dozen or more "unknown" objects in this video, objects that don't appear to be city lights, stars, or satellites. There's also over a dozen objects that streak by the camera.There is one very predominant object in the video that is the "main object" of the video as others appear to come and go. Objects can be seen cruising below the clouds, rising up from the clouds, spheres of light changing shape and color, streaks or "rods" of light cruising very close by the camera, UFOs traveling thousands of MPH in orbit, objects entering the Earth's atmosphere from deep space. It is all most bizarre and NASA have kept pretty quiet about the whole thing. This is the whole video of the event!


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Re: Videos
 

Yes, they are definitely UFO's, though a bit of research on the web and reference to some fairly recent TV documentaries will provide some plausible, if mundane, explanations of what is being seen on the NASA clips.

The cigar shaped object? Very difficult to discern what it may be without any background information, visual reference points and with such a low-resolution clip ... a fragment of a momentary condensation trail may be?

Quite how any evidence contained within such clips can be used by many little green men protagonists to claim we're being visited by extra terrestrials beats me.

If you think of the number of eyes, cameras, radar scopes etc. trained on the skies at any given time is it not amazing that these sort of clips are the best that can be put forward?

I've seen a few 'Unidentified Flying Objects' in the strictest terms but I've never seen anything that might lead me to think it was something 'out of this world' much as my Trekkie fantasies would love me to!

<<I've seen a few 'Unidentified Flying Objects' in the strictest terms but I've never seen anything that might lead me to think it was something 'out of this world' much as my Trekkie fantasies would love me to!>>

Me ditto! I am a UFO enthusiast but over the last 50 years (ie the period of my interest) I have not seen one single photograph or piece of video of a UFO which comes close to being of good quality.