ONCs on CD-ROM
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ONCs on CD-ROM
A long a futile struggle...
Trying to locate/confirm the existence of a CD-ROM with most of the World's 1:1 million ONCs on in in scanned Raster viewer format, or indeed any format!
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Also, has anyone had any expereince with CD-ROM Atlases of the world, and could recommend a good one, with coverage at or better than 1:1million?
Cheers
CS
Trying to locate/confirm the existence of a CD-ROM with most of the World's 1:1 million ONCs on in in scanned Raster viewer format, or indeed any format!
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Also, has anyone had any expereince with CD-ROM Atlases of the world, and could recommend a good one, with coverage at or better than 1:1million?
Cheers
CS
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Not sure of the level of sarcasm in the above reply, but here goes anyway... 
An ONC is a large chart of 1:1million Published by the US and other govts. (Notice that the US govt publish the Siberian one I have). The open out size is about 1x1.5 metres.
8 degree by 8 degree rectangles are depicted on the charts, and differing levels of aeronautical detail are provided from LSALTs to NDBs etc.
I have no experience with the aforementioned Microsoft Encarta Altas. What is the average scale of the most detailed maps over remote parts of the world - amazon, siberia, congo, altai mountains, PNG etc?
Regards
CS
An ONC is a large chart of 1:1million Published by the US and other govts. (Notice that the US govt publish the Siberian one I have). The open out size is about 1x1.5 metres.
8 degree by 8 degree rectangles are depicted on the charts, and differing levels of aeronautical detail are provided from LSALTs to NDBs etc.
I have no experience with the aforementioned Microsoft Encarta Altas. What is the average scale of the most detailed maps over remote parts of the world - amazon, siberia, congo, altai mountains, PNG etc?
Regards
CS
I confess it's not technology that I find much need for myself, but I'm pretty certain Jeppesen were demonstrating something that pretty much matches your needs at the last Farnborough airshow.
A quick look on their website indicates that what you want may be at this link
Not cheap though,
G
A quick look on their website indicates that what you want may be at this link
Not cheap though,
G
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Thanks Genghis, but I could not find the ONCs scanned on CD-ROM anywhere in their website. 
My quest is not for actually flying data at this stage - its more topographic than anything else, that may hopefully one day lead to a private flight there.
My quest is not for actually flying data at this stage - its more topographic than anything else, that may hopefully one day lead to a private flight there.
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Not being sarcastic! Having learnt to fly 36 years ago, I have no idea what an 'ONC' is! No company is going to publish maps cheaply on CDRom and destroy their market for paper sales. Even Encarta World Atlas with so many named places in the world has to shortchange you somewhere to get it on CDRom, and it is the topographical department that starves. There are other simple cheap World Atlases on CDRom, but I don't think they will be much better. From the sound of it, the Times World Atlas may be best for your purposes because individual topographical charts will make your eyes water, but you can find on the web excellent mapping resources with very good suppliers, but they will cost.
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It isn't so much when you learnt to fly, it's more a case of where! If you had flown in some of the more exotic parts of the world, where any navaids were destroyed years ago, I am sure you would have come across them.
ONC stands for Operational Navigation Chart, having a scale of 1:1,000,000 and covering most parts of the globe; published by Defense Mapping Agency, St Louis, Missouri, and copyright The United States Government.
They really are superb charts, albeit often a bit out of date, and should be available at any good flight shop.
Unfortunately, none of the CD Rom Atlases that I have seen come close. In fact, the ones I have seen are, quite frankly, disappointing.
It isn't so much when you learnt to fly, it's more a case of where! If you had flown in some of the more exotic parts of the world, where any navaids were destroyed years ago, I am sure you would have come across them.
ONC stands for Operational Navigation Chart, having a scale of 1:1,000,000 and covering most parts of the globe; published by Defense Mapping Agency, St Louis, Missouri, and copyright The United States Government.
They really are superb charts, albeit often a bit out of date, and should be available at any good flight shop.
Unfortunately, none of the CD Rom Atlases that I have seen come close. In fact, the ones I have seen are, quite frankly, disappointing.
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My apologies - I inferred wrongly! A European based pilot i guess could never use one, but when you want maps of Siberia and other parts of the world, they are an excellent resource!
Here in the Antipodes, AUSLIG have published all 1:250K maps of Australia on a double CD-ROM. All are the scanned topo maps in Raster format. For AUD$99 or 33 quid, it's fantstic value!
As Gerund said, most CD based atlases I have seen are rather disappointing when wanting countours, rivers etc.
The RAAF in Australia publish the charts for Aus and PNG, but the PNG charts are now as rare as hens teeth.
On line sales of ONCs are
1. Jeppesen: USD$4 and USD$25 for courier for a bundle (No australia, southern Africa, Patagonia, or Russia/Mongolia)
2. Map Link: $3.60 and $11.20 postage per chart.
Anyone know anything cheaper..
My apologies - I inferred wrongly! A European based pilot i guess could never use one, but when you want maps of Siberia and other parts of the world, they are an excellent resource!
Here in the Antipodes, AUSLIG have published all 1:250K maps of Australia on a double CD-ROM. All are the scanned topo maps in Raster format. For AUD$99 or 33 quid, it's fantstic value!
As Gerund said, most CD based atlases I have seen are rather disappointing when wanting countours, rivers etc.
The RAAF in Australia publish the charts for Aus and PNG, but the PNG charts are now as rare as hens teeth.
On line sales of ONCs are
1. Jeppesen: USD$4 and USD$25 for courier for a bundle (No australia, southern Africa, Patagonia, or Russia/Mongolia)
2. Map Link: $3.60 and $11.20 postage per chart.
Anyone know anything cheaper..
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Did a little bit of searching and it seems you can get worldwide coverage, based on the ONCs, on 4 x CD roms. 1800 mb of data!!
The web reference for details and also contact details for purchase is: http://164.214.2.59/publications/vmap0.html
If anyone makes contact for the price, please let us know! If the price is reasonable, I will be ordering a set.
The web reference for details and also contact details for purchase is: http://164.214.2.59/publications/vmap0.html
If anyone makes contact for the price, please let us know! If the price is reasonable, I will be ordering a set.
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Brilliant!
Thanks Gerund - EXACTLY what I am after! I think!
I'll let you know how I get on. I'm getting in touch with the Aust office.
I'll let you know how I get on. I'm getting in touch with the Aust office.
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ONLY AUD$173!!!!!!!
from
http://www.ga.gov.au/ and download the product catalogue. Its the VMAP Level ) under Topographic Data.
More details here: http://www.auslig.gov.au/meta/meta12.htm
Thanks for the pointers from your link Gerund... they helped in refining a google search!
I'll let you know how I get on. I just need to know that the Data is as complete as a standard ONC, and that you can print off the CD to form the ONC equivalent charts.
CS
http://www.ga.gov.au/ and download the product catalogue. Its the VMAP Level ) under Topographic Data.
More details here: http://www.auslig.gov.au/meta/meta12.htm
Thanks for the pointers from your link Gerund... they helped in refining a google search!
I'll let you know how I get on. I just need to know that the Data is as complete as a standard ONC, and that you can print off the CD to form the ONC equivalent charts.
CS
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Gerund, <It isn't so much when you learnt to fly, it's more a case of where! If you had flown in some of the more exotic parts of the world, where any navaids were destroyed years ago, I am sure you would have come across them.> I may be European based, but I've spent 23 years overflying Siberia, the Arctic, Australia, Zaire at night dodging Cbs, but I ain't never heard of ONCs, WACS, AUSLIG! How did I survive?
Dare I say it, there may be a lesson in this thread for most of us about use of acronyms and abbreviations.
I once confused the &&&& out of an instructor by talking about FTOs. I of course was talking about Flight Test Observers, he thought I was talking about Flying Training Organisations, and in the context complete airbollox.
Sometimes shorthand isn't the best way to communicate. No doubt many of us would have understood quicker "1:1,000,000 topographic charts".
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I once confused the &&&& out of an instructor by talking about FTOs. I of course was talking about Flight Test Observers, he thought I was talking about Flying Training Organisations, and in the context complete airbollox.
Sometimes shorthand isn't the best way to communicate. No doubt many of us would have understood quicker "1:1,000,000 topographic charts".
G
Perhaps not, Ghengis. ONCs are a military 'thing' whilst WACs are ICAO. There's a significant difference between the orographic tinting between ONCs & WACs.
The colour discrimination for elevation is more coarse on an ONC and one similar, common colour has a completely different meaning: 'Greenish' on an ONC means 'generally level terrain irrespective of its elevation'. while 'greenish' on a WAC means 'terrain below 1640' (or whatever the exact number is).
NOT the same charts at all!
The colour discrimination for elevation is more coarse on an ONC and one similar, common colour has a completely different meaning: 'Greenish' on an ONC means 'generally level terrain irrespective of its elevation'. while 'greenish' on a WAC means 'terrain below 1640' (or whatever the exact number is).
NOT the same charts at all!
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Spot on as usual Tinny.
I too prefer the hypsometric tinting of the WACs as well as the two o'clock shadow. But as we know, they have not yet been produced for everywhere yet, so ONC is our next best hope. Especially in remote parts of the world.
If this is the style of map I think it is, then you can nominate the data you wish to see. I think I'll have the colour de-selected! I find it confusing to see a big green patch way up in the mountains!
CS
I too prefer the hypsometric tinting of the WACs as well as the two o'clock shadow. But as we know, they have not yet been produced for everywhere yet, so ONC is our next best hope. Especially in remote parts of the world.
If this is the style of map I think it is, then you can nominate the data you wish to see. I think I'll have the colour de-selected! I find it confusing to see a big green patch way up in the mountains!
CS
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It's here
It has arrived in its package, and the manual is the size of a small telephone directory....
I will let you know how its going when i get a chance - a bit difficult as the house is full of visitors at the moment.
BTW - at this stage it appears to be a "build your own" map style program. you specify lat and long, and then direct say, contours roads and airports to be built. Or on another map you might just want rivers and towns. etc.
CS
I will let you know how its going when i get a chance - a bit difficult as the house is full of visitors at the moment.
BTW - at this stage it appears to be a "build your own" map style program. you specify lat and long, and then direct say, contours roads and airports to be built. Or on another map you might just want rivers and towns. etc.
CS