Descent in hold

[aterpster]

Originally Posted by SW1

As said these MHAs are for traffic only- and this is how they do things in China. Most of the IAFs around ZSAM has the 5910 restriction as the guys going direct are cleared to commence at 4940 feet.

Know the environment before commenting. The OP was asking for advice. By the way if you "stuck to you your guns" regarding that MHA and messed up the approach on a PC you would fail(shanghai case)

How they do things stateside doesnt count. I wouldnt comment on a SFO approach when ive never been there.

BTW: Matt should have posted this to the fragrant harbour forum- as at least the dragon and cathay guys could give some input as they fly to both destinations.

cheers

I wouldn't fail my PC, because I would be fully trained on China before I took that PC. :-)

[mattpablo]

Thanks for all the inputs.

i would have posted it there, but last time I posted something there I got thrown to the lions. Apparantly asking for advice sometimes people just want to ridicule a perceived lack of ability!

Also it was just a general question about descents in the hold, ZSAM was just an example, I was shooting for a general consensus worldwide.

i very much appreciate the inputs from everyone. Thanks

thr only reason I ask is, as sone have mentioned, if you stay at the MHA, on some procedures, and then turn inbound, your so high, that you’d struggle to make the descent especially with a probable tailwind.
Also, if you had a comms failure, what would be the actions, that’s why I was asking. Obviously in real life they would probably give you descent to an altitude ATC require or you could just ask ATC to clarify.

cheers

[aterpster]

Originally Posted by mattpablo

Thanks for all the inputs.

i would have posted it there, but last time I posted something there I got thrown to the lions. Apparantly asking for advice sometimes people just want to ridicule a perceived lack of ability!

You asked an intelligent question. Sometimes people ask stupid questions.

Also, I learned something about China's weird application of PANS-OPS and supposedly ICAO-compliant ATC procedures.