LVTO 125m
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Hi ,
I have gone through several threads but I cannot find a final answer to my question : Under EASA Air Ops rule (not according to your OM-A) , when RVR is not reported, is RVR pilot assessment allowed for the initial part of the take off run for LVTO with 125m ?
There is a little star (*) on table 1A stating that RVR assessment is allowed for the initial part of the take off run ,but it does not specify to which condition it is applicable .
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I have gone through several threads but I cannot find a final answer to my question : Under EASA Air Ops rule (not according to your OM-A) , when RVR is not reported, is RVR pilot assessment allowed for the initial part of the take off run for LVTO with 125m ?
There is a little star (*) on table 1A stating that RVR assessment is allowed for the initial part of the take off run ,but it does not specify to which condition it is applicable .
Thanks for your input
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This is the table I posted in the attached original post. My question is regarding this table on how to interpret it ? if RVR assessment is allowed for TDZ when RVR not reported in LVTO 125 m?
In one hand : multiple rvr required
In the other hand : rvr assessment alowed
In one hand : multiple rvr required
In the other hand : rvr assessment alowed
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1. Obviously, you can only make RVR assesment before takeoff from the beginning of the runway, so only TDZ. If the table requires RVR measurement for midpoint/rollout (as relevent) as well, you need RVR data. So, no takeoff without RVR measurement below 200m.
2. The 90m visual segment (usually 6 centerline lights) is only required when RVR is 125m. So even if you have RVR 150m, and see only 4 lights, you can depart.
2. The 90m visual segment (usually 6 centerline lights) is only required when RVR is 125m. So even if you have RVR 150m, and see only 4 lights, you can depart.
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But have you seen the little stars inside this table and to what they refer to?
These little stars are present for LVTO 150 m and LVTO with 125 m
They are not present for LVTO with 75 m
Have you seen the table ? Where do you place in this table the little star refering to " the initial part of the take off run can be replaced by pilot assessment "
These little stars are present for LVTO 150 m and LVTO with 125 m
They are not present for LVTO with 75 m
Have you seen the table ? Where do you place in this table the little star refering to " the initial part of the take off run can be replaced by pilot assessment "
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Have you noticed between the difference between the old EU OPS regulation and new EASA Air OPS?
On former EU-OPS , the LVTO table mentioned :multiple RVRs information required
On EASA Air Ops , multiple RVR information is no longer in the table but there is a requirement of having achieved the required VALUE for the relevant points.
EASA table 1A for 125 m: " The required RVR VALUE to be achieved for all relevant RVRs "
"The reported RVR value representative of the initial part of the take-off run can be replaced by pilot assessment."
Notice the difference of multiple RVR information on previous EU ops , and just " Value" achieved on EASA with the condition that only TDZ can be assessed.
On former EU-OPS , the LVTO table mentioned :multiple RVRs information required
On EASA Air Ops , multiple RVR information is no longer in the table but there is a requirement of having achieved the required VALUE for the relevant points.
EASA table 1A for 125 m: " The required RVR VALUE to be achieved for all relevant RVRs "
"The reported RVR value representative of the initial part of the take-off run can be replaced by pilot assessment."
Notice the difference of multiple RVR information on previous EU ops , and just " Value" achieved on EASA with the condition that only TDZ can be assessed.
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Still my question is not clarified . Ok let's take an example , I am an EAsA operator operating under Air OPS, I fly a boeing 737 ( CAT C ) . We are LVO approved for 125 m.
During the day of operation TDZ RVR is inop and ATC is reporting xxx/125/125
Am I allowed to assess TDZ RVR ?
During the day of operation TDZ RVR is inop and ATC is reporting xxx/125/125
Am I allowed to assess TDZ RVR ?
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Ok, I've just re-read AMC1 SPA.LVO.100 Low visibility operations. Seems that Citation2 is correct.
So, Hundredbelow, I think Yes you can self assess.
However, the wording is very poor.
For example, the words "The REPORTED rvr value representative of the initial part of the take-off run can be replaced by pilot assessment."
English is my native language and I'm not 100% sure what it really means, especially if we take the word "reported" at face value.
So, Hundredbelow, I think Yes you can self assess.
However, the wording is very poor.
For example, the words "The REPORTED rvr value representative of the initial part of the take-off run can be replaced by pilot assessment."
English is my native language and I'm not 100% sure what it really means, especially if we take the word "reported" at face value.