Requirement: Carry your MCC Certificate when flying?
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Requirement: Carry your MCC Certificate when flying?
Hello,
I've heard a story 3rd hand, about an airbus pilot who got "pulled over" and ramp checked in Spain, and got in a bit of trouble after the ramp checker said he didn't have the required paperwork to operate as a FO on the A320.
The document he was not in possession of was his MCC course certificate.
I'm a bit confused, wouldn't the fact that he has an A320 rating on his license, be proof that the required MCC course has been completed?
Or do you actually need to carry your course certificate with you everywhere?
I've heard a story 3rd hand, about an airbus pilot who got "pulled over" and ramp checked in Spain, and got in a bit of trouble after the ramp checker said he didn't have the required paperwork to operate as a FO on the A320.
The document he was not in possession of was his MCC course certificate.
I'm a bit confused, wouldn't the fact that he has an A320 rating on his license, be proof that the required MCC course has been completed?
Or do you actually need to carry your course certificate with you everywhere?
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Never heard of something like that. In fact, i never received a "MCC certificate" in the first place, doing a CCC training was part in obtaining my ATPL (back then we didn't bother with a CPL). Have been flying multicrew operation jets ever since. The typerating, license and medical is all i need in personal documentation for a ramp check.
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Thought it sounded rather absurd, seeing that one is a pre-requisite of the other.
Like carrying your student pilot and PPL certificate with you so that they can see you didn't get your CPL out of the blue..
Like carrying your student pilot and PPL certificate with you so that they can see you didn't get your CPL out of the blue..
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As the A320 would be operating under an AOC, the necessary ac paperwork would be carried in a folder kept on the flight deck.
Your pilot's licence which lives in your flight bag does not require a MCC certificate to be carried.
As you say, the MP type rating implies that a MCC certificate was issued, if the rating was issued on or after 1 July 1999.
Prior to 1 July 1999 (JAR) no MCC was necessary for ac over 5700kgs.
Your pilot's licence which lives in your flight bag does not require a MCC certificate to be carried.
As you say, the MP type rating implies that a MCC certificate was issued, if the rating was issued on or after 1 July 1999.
Prior to 1 July 1999 (JAR) no MCC was necessary for ac over 5700kgs.
Denti: Can you explain how your aviation career did not involve having a CPL at some stage?
Are you under the misunderstanding that a "fATPL" was not in fact simply a CPL with ATPL exam passes attached to it! In other words - a "frozen ATPL" does not actually exist as a licence!
Are you under the misunderstanding that a "fATPL" was not in fact simply a CPL with ATPL exam passes attached to it! In other words - a "frozen ATPL" does not actually exist as a licence!
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Meikleour,
It's not unusual. I've held an ATPLH for almost twenty five years and a CPLA for twenty years. I've never held a PPL of any type.
Think ex-military...
It's not unusual. I've held an ATPLH for almost twenty five years and a CPLA for twenty years. I've never held a PPL of any type.
Think ex-military...
dotticom: best not to jump to too quick assumptions!
I am well aware of how things used to be:
PPL in 1967
CPL/IR 1971
ATPL 1973 (Zambian ATPL, FAA CPL, Canadian PPL and HK ATPL along the way!)
In fact "in the day" there was no such thing as a "frozenATPL" since one had to have the minimum hours required before one was even allowed to sit the exams! I am of course aware of qualified ex-military pilots going straight for the full licence but i am yet to hear of one going for a "fATPL"!
Some of the younger posters may not know that the UK CAA used to issue a SCPL(senior CPL) which allowed one to command something heavier than 12,500lbs up to (and here my memory fails me) about F27 weight. This was issued after passing the written ATPL papers when one did not have the total hours requirement for the ATPL. This I think is more comparable to the fATPL but actually was a distinct licence in its own right.
I am well aware of how things used to be:
PPL in 1967
CPL/IR 1971
ATPL 1973 (Zambian ATPL, FAA CPL, Canadian PPL and HK ATPL along the way!)
In fact "in the day" there was no such thing as a "frozenATPL" since one had to have the minimum hours required before one was even allowed to sit the exams! I am of course aware of qualified ex-military pilots going straight for the full licence but i am yet to hear of one going for a "fATPL"!
Some of the younger posters may not know that the UK CAA used to issue a SCPL(senior CPL) which allowed one to command something heavier than 12,500lbs up to (and here my memory fails me) about F27 weight. This was issued after passing the written ATPL papers when one did not have the total hours requirement for the ATPL. This I think is more comparable to the fATPL but actually was a distinct licence in its own right.
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dotticom:Thank you for your reply. I think I did acknowledge that fully qualified service pilots could indeed take the direct route to the ATPL. However I have never come across anyone in the purely civilian route who had done that.
And, by the way, my request was made to Denti!
And, by the way, my request was made to Denti!
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Its easy, i held a PPL-C (glider pilot license), then a US PPL and the next license i earned was the ATPL. The US PPL was already part of my abinitio training with lufthansa flight training. Germany issued CPLs back then, they were severly restricted though, the largest passenger type that could be flown with them was the DO 228 i believe. Abinitio courses were a direct route to the ATPL (A2) which was upgraded to an ATPL (A1) after 2200 hours without any further test or requirement. Only the A1 allowed one to work as a captain. With JAR FCL i received a normal ATPL of course. Only JAR FCL introduced the "frozen" ATPL, it was a new concept.
Denti: Many thanks for your polite and detailed response, I was genuinely curious! A very pleasant change from some of the snide types of replies that one seems to get on PPRUNE these days.
I am retired now but it does depress me to see the type of replies that appear to come from the newer generation sometimes. (ie. attack the man instead of his question/views)
I am retired now but it does depress me to see the type of replies that appear to come from the newer generation sometimes. (ie. attack the man instead of his question/views)
