How would you handle this Crew Oxygen Low situation
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How would you handle this Crew Oxygen Low situation
The US Airways Airbus A330-300 aircraft (N278AY), operating as flight AWE703, was enroute at FL380 from Frankfurt (EDDF) to Philadelphia (KPHL). About 350 nm South East of St. John's the crew received a low oxygen warning indication, pressure less than 600 psi and decreasing. The crew declared an emergency and offset course to the North. AWE703 descended to 10000 feet without clearance, one flight was in trail by 4 minutes longitudinal separation at FL360. The oxygen quantity continued to decrease so the crew requested a diversion to the nearest airport. Clearance was issued direct to St. John's (CYYT) once AWE703 was clear of traffic. To expedite the landing the crew declared an emergency. AWE703 landed without further incident with ARFF on standby. Maintenance found a small leak in the pilot's oxygen mask. They swapped the captain's mask with the observer seat mask, then serviced the oxygen bottle. A leaks check was performed with no faults found, and the aircraft was released for flight.
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its a bit harsh, but if anything wouldve happened, then the captain would be to blame, because the warning was registered. if there was no warning you could say making a storm out of a glass of water.
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In the UK it would be called a storm in a tea cup ! The thread not the actions of the captain !
Accidents are made up if a number of failures that come together to form a major problem ( Swiss cheese ) in this case the captain having had one failure took action to secure the situation so that another system failure ( cabin presurissatuon or cabin smoke) would not result in a disaster.
I for one think his actions were 100 % correct.
Accidents are made up if a number of failures that come together to form a major problem ( Swiss cheese ) in this case the captain having had one failure took action to secure the situation so that another system failure ( cabin presurissatuon or cabin smoke) would not result in a disaster.
I for one think his actions were 100 % correct.
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Worth reading the UPS 747 thread to see what can happen if one of the pilots` oxygen systems are not functioning properly.
Pretty much perfect decision making as far as I can see.
Pretty much perfect decision making as far as I can see.
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Difficult call. You might be able to somewhat mitigate the Depress scenario by a slight descent, Pax oxy etc.
However, you are now very exposed in any Smoke / Fumes / Fire scenario.
Whilst I might not have handled it exactly as the above account states, that does not mean I criticise what this crew (apparently) did. It would certainly be a brave decision to carry on as if nothing had happened, and far riskier to crew and Pax than, say, flying a 4 Eng ac on 3 engines across the pond
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However, you are now very exposed in any Smoke / Fumes / Fire scenario.
Whilst I might not have handled it exactly as the above account states, that does not mean I criticise what this crew (apparently) did. It would certainly be a brave decision to carry on as if nothing had happened, and far riskier to crew and Pax than, say, flying a 4 Eng ac on 3 engines across the pond
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In the UK it would be called a storm in a tea cup
I'm sure someone who knows SOP will be along here shortly though!
* If correct that does seems odd to me?
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Overkill, perhaps, to prevent overkill resulting from creeping failures. Anyone can be a good Monday morning quarterback. I suspect the crew did what they did with the company's blessing. No bruised people or dented airplane. What's not to like?
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arrrooogahhh arrooogahhh dive dive dive.
(yeah I know it's not a submarine but that sounds more dramatic)
...because if there had been a situation where they needed the oxygen they would have all ended up dead. pilots, cabin crew and passengers.
when you are in command you need to make the command decisions!
(yeah I know it's not a submarine but that sounds more dramatic)
...because if there had been a situation where they needed the oxygen they would have all ended up dead. pilots, cabin crew and passengers.
when you are in command you need to make the command decisions!
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cold tea ??
first - the case happened two weeks ago !
second - the crew did all correct !
third - turning towards YYT took the flight off the NAT they used !
fourth - while descending outside Radar coverage TCAS / ACAS covered the remaining o,xx % of a collision risk!!
So why boiling up cold tea ??
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second - the crew did all correct !
third - turning towards YYT took the flight off the NAT they used !
fourth - while descending outside Radar coverage TCAS / ACAS covered the remaining o,xx % of a collision risk!!
So why boiling up cold tea ??
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"and presumably it's not just the loss of a safety system that's of concern but also where the oxygen is going and what that oxygen might do if there was a fire."
Exactly, pure oxygen coming into contact with any kind of grease and BANG
Exactly, pure oxygen coming into contact with any kind of grease and BANG
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To really get the discussion going.... what about it happening mid pacific ?
Get hold of a portable O2 source if there is one as cover
Set course for nearest suitable airport
Not really much else one can do
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They declared an emergency, but descended to 10000ft without clearance? Seems odd they didn't advise about the descent but I believe the captain made the right decision.
Must be commended for following the rules and turning North when travelling west in order to get off the track for the emergency descent so as not to risk a collision with other traffic on the track!
Bravo crew
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Must be commended for following the rules and turning North when travelling west in order to get off the track for the emergency descent so as not to risk a collision with other traffic on the track!
Bravo crew
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