Informing ATC for a cross bleed start.
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Informing ATC for a cross bleed start.
Hi all,
Can anyone tell me where the procedure is written down regarding informing ATC about the need for a cross bleed start? Particularly the need to inform ATC about having an engine at above idle thrust on a TAXI WAY while the second engine is started?
I'm particularly interested in where this procedure might be written down so that I can be sure of it and therefore be confidant about doing it correctly.
Many thanks...
Can anyone tell me where the procedure is written down regarding informing ATC about the need for a cross bleed start? Particularly the need to inform ATC about having an engine at above idle thrust on a TAXI WAY while the second engine is started?
I'm particularly interested in where this procedure might be written down so that I can be sure of it and therefore be confidant about doing it correctly.
Many thanks...
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There's no general requirement that I'm aware of, but it is probably going to be in the airport AIP entry where it matters. The responsibility for managing what goes on around an aircraft starting up - in relation to ATC interest - varies from one country to the next, whether it's on an apron or the manoeuvring area, whether there's any sort of apron management service if it's the former and a bunch of other things that don't come to mind too.
Obviously if the aircraft is in a congested area, whoever is asked for start-up approval/clearance is the person to ask but, speaking as an ex-controller, if it was on a taxiway I really wouldn't have been worried.
In my time I had more cross-bleed starts on the apron than on a taxi-way - at least, more that I knew about. On a couple of occasions on a taxi-way the crew mentioned it on the RTF but more as a courtesy/warning to an aircraft behind them. It could have happened many more times without my knowledge.
High power runs are a different matter - I had one of those tea and biscuit meetings with an Airport Director once.....without the tea.....or biscuits while he explained why three taxiway signs would have to be replaced (and where they found them) and how lucky I was that they didn't hit anything!
Obviously if the aircraft is in a congested area, whoever is asked for start-up approval/clearance is the person to ask but, speaking as an ex-controller, if it was on a taxiway I really wouldn't have been worried.
In my time I had more cross-bleed starts on the apron than on a taxi-way - at least, more that I knew about. On a couple of occasions on a taxi-way the crew mentioned it on the RTF but more as a courtesy/warning to an aircraft behind them. It could have happened many more times without my knowledge.
High power runs are a different matter - I had one of those tea and biscuit meetings with an Airport Director once.....without the tea.....or biscuits while he explained why three taxiway signs would have to be replaced (and where they found them) and how lucky I was that they didn't hit anything!
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Boeing - apologies for being 'late', but in my a time pretty much (probably unwritten) 'sop' in 2 airlines on 737s, as it is:
a) Courteous to let ATC know your start up will be slower and block the taxiway for longer
b) Safe, as power is significantly higher on the taxiway and ATC need to consider vehicles etc and crossing points plus other a/c.
- should have worked at a real airport?
a) Courteous to let ATC know your start up will be slower and block the taxiway for longer
b) Safe, as power is significantly higher on the taxiway and ATC need to consider vehicles etc and crossing points plus other a/c.
Originally Posted by HD
I never heard of that in my career. Maybe it's a recent requirement?
