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Could one of the moderators please explain (when they move this - to where?) the rationale behind Reporting Points?
Why, for example, are threads about "New Swissair goes airborne" and "JetBlue Airlines" moved to "Airlines, Airports and Routes", while threads entitled "Cathay Pacific" and "RJ100s at BA EOG" stay in Reporting Points?
Why is "Full Body X-Rays at Airport Security" moved and "American Airport Security a Laughing Stock" not moved?
I am rather confused. Rumours and News used to be my lodestar; now I don't know whether to check in at Reporting Points, Aircrew Notices or Airlines, Airports and Routes. To judge by the number of threads being moved other people are having difficulties too. Are there too many forums with esoteric differences between them?
Why, for example, are threads about "New Swissair goes airborne" and "JetBlue Airlines" moved to "Airlines, Airports and Routes", while threads entitled "Cathay Pacific" and "RJ100s at BA EOG" stay in Reporting Points?
Why is "Full Body X-Rays at Airport Security" moved and "American Airport Security a Laughing Stock" not moved?
I am rather confused. Rumours and News used to be my lodestar; now I don't know whether to check in at Reporting Points, Aircrew Notices or Airlines, Airports and Routes. To judge by the number of threads being moved other people are having difficulties too. Are there too many forums with esoteric differences between them?
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Sorry mate... with a title like that I could NOT resist moving it! 
The new software directs you to the moved post, therefore I don't see the problem. If your question is one of editorial choice, then yeah, we can take the hit on that... there are 4 of us in the role on "The Forum Formerly Known as Rumours and News" (with the overriding vote going to Capt. PPRuNe,) , plus of course those with roving moderator status and we all think differently... for instance, I refuse to get involved in any debate, or move any threads that involve my own company (unless they are blatantly of a "spotter" nature.) That way I can remove myself from any accusations of bias or suppression of dissenting opinion, nevermind the fact that some of what I have seen written about my company is so far wide of the mark it is embarrasing. I think most other moderators feel the same.. it's certainly one of the choices I made when accepting the role.
We're only human, and we do this in our spare time, right now in my case the 1/2 hour before bed. So often we only have time to deal with the bigger issues, for example is it legal, is it defamatory, is this now so far off-topic that it is dead in the water, rather than make simple editorial choices.
I haven't time to deal with al the examples you gave, forgive me, but for instance the RJ100's at EOG is not a single-airline issue.. it pertains to 3 subsidiaries of BA in various stages of assimilation, and has by its very nature an impact on the whole demographic of pilot recruitment. Therefore, given that level of importance, I feel it is in the correct place. Others may choose to disagree, but that's fine... we don't get it right all the time, and now when we do move you have a nice single-click link to take you there. As to the others, then they are also simple editorial choices... I happen to think the utterly shocking and misleading state of airline security in the US deserves all the prominence we can give it; it may not meet the strictest of R and N criteria, but there is an more important underlying issue that requires the publicity of the headline forum.... in my opinion, of course. (...and most likely the opinion of my fellow moderators because no-one has chosen to move it... we rarely consult on these matters, if consultation is required we tend to park the thread in the now invisible Admin forum to do that.) The particular thread you point to keeps that debate alive... (despite the fact that my personal take on the event actually sides slightly in favour of the security personnel.)
Also, you have to consider the relevance and number of times a particular subject is raised. One day last month I remember 5 seperate topics raised on the R and N forum all dealing with the reborn Swissair. How do you play that one?
We get it right sometimes, we get it wrong sometimes. Hopefully the former outweighs the latter. Perhaps some other moderators might care to comment as well, it is not as Black and White as you may think it is.
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The new software directs you to the moved post, therefore I don't see the problem. If your question is one of editorial choice, then yeah, we can take the hit on that... there are 4 of us in the role on "The Forum Formerly Known as Rumours and News" (with the overriding vote going to Capt. PPRuNe,) , plus of course those with roving moderator status and we all think differently... for instance, I refuse to get involved in any debate, or move any threads that involve my own company (unless they are blatantly of a "spotter" nature.) That way I can remove myself from any accusations of bias or suppression of dissenting opinion, nevermind the fact that some of what I have seen written about my company is so far wide of the mark it is embarrasing. I think most other moderators feel the same.. it's certainly one of the choices I made when accepting the role.
We're only human, and we do this in our spare time, right now in my case the 1/2 hour before bed. So often we only have time to deal with the bigger issues, for example is it legal, is it defamatory, is this now so far off-topic that it is dead in the water, rather than make simple editorial choices.
I haven't time to deal with al the examples you gave, forgive me, but for instance the RJ100's at EOG is not a single-airline issue.. it pertains to 3 subsidiaries of BA in various stages of assimilation, and has by its very nature an impact on the whole demographic of pilot recruitment. Therefore, given that level of importance, I feel it is in the correct place. Others may choose to disagree, but that's fine... we don't get it right all the time, and now when we do move you have a nice single-click link to take you there. As to the others, then they are also simple editorial choices... I happen to think the utterly shocking and misleading state of airline security in the US deserves all the prominence we can give it; it may not meet the strictest of R and N criteria, but there is an more important underlying issue that requires the publicity of the headline forum.... in my opinion, of course. (...and most likely the opinion of my fellow moderators because no-one has chosen to move it... we rarely consult on these matters, if consultation is required we tend to park the thread in the now invisible Admin forum to do that.) The particular thread you point to keeps that debate alive... (despite the fact that my personal take on the event actually sides slightly in favour of the security personnel.)
Also, you have to consider the relevance and number of times a particular subject is raised. One day last month I remember 5 seperate topics raised on the R and N forum all dealing with the reborn Swissair. How do you play that one?
We get it right sometimes, we get it wrong sometimes. Hopefully the former outweighs the latter. Perhaps some other moderators might care to comment as well, it is not as Black and White as you may think it is.
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Yes I agree with sick squids comments. To add a little further comment.
Most of the moderating function involves ensuring the posts stay within the broadly accepted rules of common sense. That is to say the specific rules of the site should not be breached and the posts themselves should be relevant to the particular forum.
Since the overwhelming majority of postings do conform to the site rules, the main moderating function is simply to keep the forums tidy. This is achieved by taking threads that may be better suited to another forum and moving them there. The result is that the poster will hopefully get a better quality ( if not quantity ) of response.
With the high number of contributors to PPRuNe, and the many specific forums available, I appreciate it is not always obvious where a topic may be best placed. Hopefully the moderator will be assisting the poster by moving the thread.
Another function is to tidy up multiple postings, that is where the send button has been pressed repeatedly resulting in the same post appearing twice or more. Similarly posting the same topic on various forums is usually deemed wasteful of bandwidth and appropriately tidied up.
It follows that moderating one forum will involve a good knowledge of what is on the other forums. This is all very time intensive. Moving a thread adds to the workload and isn't usually done unless it is likely to be productive either to the contributor or in keeping the forum "on base".
Having said that we do sometimes get it wrong ! Sorry.
Most of the moderating function involves ensuring the posts stay within the broadly accepted rules of common sense. That is to say the specific rules of the site should not be breached and the posts themselves should be relevant to the particular forum.
Since the overwhelming majority of postings do conform to the site rules, the main moderating function is simply to keep the forums tidy. This is achieved by taking threads that may be better suited to another forum and moving them there. The result is that the poster will hopefully get a better quality ( if not quantity ) of response.
With the high number of contributors to PPRuNe, and the many specific forums available, I appreciate it is not always obvious where a topic may be best placed. Hopefully the moderator will be assisting the poster by moving the thread.
Another function is to tidy up multiple postings, that is where the send button has been pressed repeatedly resulting in the same post appearing twice or more. Similarly posting the same topic on various forums is usually deemed wasteful of bandwidth and appropriately tidied up.
It follows that moderating one forum will involve a good knowledge of what is on the other forums. This is all very time intensive. Moving a thread adds to the workload and isn't usually done unless it is likely to be productive either to the contributor or in keeping the forum "on base".
Having said that we do sometimes get it wrong ! Sorry.
