Is this a stable approach?
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Totally unstable, totally out of order (i'm guessing that it's not their equipment that they are flying either?). Positioning flight or not, ignoring GPWS commands and landing half way down the runway displays gross unprofessionalism and is deserved of a good drop kick in the gentlemans log cabin for the two geniuses up front. Obviously no big brother in the flight deck, but to film yourself doing it and then post it on youtube, WTF?
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The conversation is in Spanish and by the accent it seems to be the Andes region, this looks like a training flight for the F/O, I couldn't make the call sign when the captain got on the radio after the landing though. Airlines flying in those parts operate these turboprops into airports that would make the average pilot uncomfortable for sure, thus they regularly train to the edge of what the A/C is capable to do and you need a sign off into these airports (I use the term airports loosely) some of these remote places are only accessible efficiently by air or by several hours of very dangerous driving conditions, pilots flying Into these places train accordingly. You might agree or disagree, but the conversation on this and many other pilot sites is always about how the stick and rudder skills are being lost, well, some of these airports need training in nothing but stick and rudder skills to be able to operate in and out off. Something to think about before you place these folks into the irresponsible dare devils column.
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good Lord,
I landed a Dornier 28 (yes 28) which with full flaps has an incredible deck angle, from 1000 feet over the threshold. The tower said "do you want to go round?"
- No sir, I am fine.
After landing, rolling for about 20 feet and turning off, the tower said "What kind of airplane IS that?"
Great fun.......
I landed a Dornier 28 (yes 28) which with full flaps has an incredible deck angle, from 1000 feet over the threshold. The tower said "do you want to go round?"
- No sir, I am fine.
After landing, rolling for about 20 feet and turning off, the tower said "What kind of airplane IS that?"
Great fun.......
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wow, pprune seems to always branch into three camps these days :
1/ "children of the magenta".The new buzzwords. Bit like 'trending'.
2/ we're real men, we don't need any of your electronics/magenta etc
3/ spotters/wannabes talking poo.
Regardless of if you think, real men fly these steep apporaches, training or not, having a laugh or not, surely - as pointed out- you try and land near the closest runway end....
1/ "children of the magenta".The new buzzwords. Bit like 'trending'.
2/ we're real men, we don't need any of your electronics/magenta etc
3/ spotters/wannabes talking poo.
Regardless of if you think, real men fly these steep apporaches, training or not, having a laugh or not, surely - as pointed out- you try and land near the closest runway end....
Well, MRJT purists are free to turn their heads in disgust: ATR can safely negotiate approach at -11° flightpath angle. However, there is very strict way to do it, which results in safe and predictable arrival. Main points being: daylight VMC with runway and all of the surroundings being visible all the time from starting of the dive and aiming short of the runway to intercept normal glidepath at 200ft latest.
These guys messed it up royally. Landed long after diving all the way to runway.
Oh, and landing with a guy standing in the forward cargo compartment is criminally negligent, posting proof of it on YouTube is demented, to say the least.
These guys messed it up royally. Landed long after diving all the way to runway.
Oh, and landing with a guy standing in the forward cargo compartment is criminally negligent, posting proof of it on YouTube is demented, to say the least.
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No- that was easy.
Is this a stable approach?
Perhaps there is some reason for this display of "airmanship". I do not have all the information, but as it first appears it does not reflect well on this crew.
Sometimes "good people" and otherwise good pilots make poor decisions. One example might be the (USA) RJ accident when the crew, without anybody else on board, put the jet "through its paces" and flamed out both engines. They were killed when they impacted the earth short of an airfield they were trying to make when they were unable to restore thrust. From that accident came an industry information campaign on the "core lock" event of a turbojet engine under certain unfavorable conditions.
Was there some malfunction they were compensating for (as the poster above indicates). Was it sanctioned training, or some sort of flight test? Perhaps they did a stellar job then, and my concerns unfounded. Without more information the approach looks unstable to me.
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