3 landings in 90 days

[Grum]

Dear All

What happens when you are a reelance pilot and you have not flown in 90 days? Are you simply no longer current and so would have to buy 3 circuits somewhere to become employable again? Does the rule apply to private flights? And could you fly say as co-pilot if the captain has flown within the 90 days?

Thanks

[BOAC]

It will be covered in the Ops Manual of the company you are flying for. CPs often have discetion to extend the period subject to etc etc

[kenparry]

BOAC, with respect, if it's in the JAR or EASA regs, then the Chief Pilot has no discretion - it's the law.

For the OP, my understanding (in Europe) is that for the carriage of passengers the pilot(s) must have done the requisite 3 landings and take-offs within the 90 day period. Note, not just commercial - it applies to PPLs as well.

As a freelance you still have to comply. Yes, pay if you have to; a generous employer might let a freelance do it without charge, but honestly that's probably dreaming.

[BOAC]

Originally Posted by ken

if it's in the JAR or EASA regs, then the Chief Pilot has no discretion - it's the law.

I can assure you he did have under JAROPS - and did.(the 28 day Cpt thing). I didn't challenge!

[99jolegg]

BOAC is right - check the Ops manual.

We can extend to 120 days in certain conditions. Those conditions are obviously acceptable to the authority who authorised the content of the Ops manuals.

[Grum]

OK thank you for the replies. i'm unemployed so referring to ops manual was not an option. Fingers crossed for a freelance before 90 days is up then. Thanks

[BOAC]

Would you not have to fly some sort of 'acceptance'/'check' flight to get a position? Do the three there?

[Denti]

OPS 1.970
Recent experience

(a) An operator shall ensure that:
1. a pilot is not assigned to operate an aeroplane as part of the minimum certificated crew, either as pilot flying or pilot non-flying unless he/she has carried out three take-offs and three landings in the previous 90 days as pilot flying in an aeroplane, or in a flight simulator of the same type/class.

2. a pilot who does not hold a valid instrument rating is not assigned to operate an aeroplane at night as commander unless he/she has carried out at least one landing at night in the preceding 90 days as pilot flying in an aeroplane, or in a flight simulator, of the same type/class.

(b) The 90-day period prescribed in subparagraphs (a)1 and 2 above may be extended up to a maximum of 120 days by line flying under the supervision of a type rating instructor or examiner. For periods beyond 120 days, the recency requirement is satisfied by a training flight or use of a flight simulator of the aeroplane type to be used

Thats the current EU-OPS regulation about that subject, easiest is probably just taking a TRE on the next flight. Or renting an hour in a simulator, serves the same purpose. We have to do that quite often with our MFF that guys, since they have to be recent on both types.

[Welle]

Does the rule apply to private flights?

NO - not for non-AOC non commercial operations

[Trim Stab]

What is the definition in this instance of "pilot flying"?

In a two crew aircraft, presumably only take-off/landings flown as PF count?

Do take-offs/landings flown as an instructor count?

[Mach E Avelli]

Consider the monitored approach case, where the PF may not actually do the landing, because the monitoring pilot takes control when visual. It's just semantics - the idea is you must have done three take-offs and landings within the 90 days (or whatever period you have approved) regardless of which seat you are in and what your role is.

Ditto for instructors; the intent is that they actually do three take-offs and landings. I can't imagine any operations manual or rule that would allow otherwise for such a critical role.

[foxmoth]

Quote:
Does the rule apply to private flights?
NO - not for non-AOC non commercial operations

Depends on what you mean here, even for non commercial ops you DO have to do the three if you want to fly with pax - if out of check you can do three circuits solo then fly with your pax, but if you are 91 days+ then you need to get the landings in before sitting pax in with you.

[ATC Watcher]

Fox moth : you are correct . One remark:

you can do 3 circuits solo

according JAR OPS definition it is 3 take offs and landings , which my State translated into 3 full Stop landings , so no touch and goes . Not sure if all JAR States translated it that way, but mine did .

[mad_jock]

We always use to count T&G's and nothing was said. The only time you had to be careful with full stops was while doing a Night Qual.

That said who is to know if you came to a stop on the runway and then departed again.

[fireflybob]

If the runway is long enough you could consider a stop and go!