Which plane do u dislike the most and why?
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Which plane do u dislike the most and why?
well?
which plane do u hate the most?
and why?
I for example would have to say something along the large 4 engined civil aviation jet line of things, eg: 747...
BECAUSE: It is not FUN to fly, u get in u take off, 37,000 feet, u cant see anything, stay at the exact same height and heading sort of thing for 5 hours until its time to follow the radio beacon/signal/computer/gwhoigsjhd9j9p down to land.
You could have flown it with the windows covered up!
Real; fun flying is not about twiddling with little knobs and adjusting little instruments its about wind in ur face, zoom, buzzing engines dancing about the skies...
like with Tiger Moths....
How about YOU?
which plane do u hate the most?
and why?
I for example would have to say something along the large 4 engined civil aviation jet line of things, eg: 747...
BECAUSE: It is not FUN to fly, u get in u take off, 37,000 feet, u cant see anything, stay at the exact same height and heading sort of thing for 5 hours until its time to follow the radio beacon/signal/computer/gwhoigsjhd9j9p down to land.
You could have flown it with the windows covered up!
Real; fun flying is not about twiddling with little knobs and adjusting little instruments its about wind in ur face, zoom, buzzing engines dancing about the skies...
like with Tiger Moths....
How about YOU?
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Piper Tomahawk, aaaaargh! Run for cover! What a weird,ugly weird unpleasant tin box that thing is!Single engined Piper and Cessna stuff, for sure. Who ever, dear lord, came up with the idea to make flying versions of 1970's American saloon cars??? Piper Seneca, bweeerk, horrible piece of machinery. Gyroplanes: don't get me wrong, I L-O-V-E helicopters, so gyro's must be pretty much fun as well, but they're so damn UGLY (same goes for cessna's). And last but not least my very own BAe146/AVRORJ. I fly it every day and I do feel affection for it, but I don't know why. Actually I feel a bit kinky for it... ;-)
And Tiger, airliners ARE fun to fly and are not all about cruising at 37000 feet and twiddling with buttons.
And Tiger, airliners ARE fun to fly and are not all about cruising at 37000 feet and twiddling with buttons.
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Of course theyre not ALL about 37,000 fett, adjusting little knobs etc but they are QUITe a lot about that. Sure landing it n stuff would be fun but a lot of it is the above. And in a Tiger Moth then its fun ALL the time. And in airliners you do fly really high for ages so you cant see anything.
I just dont see what the attraction is.
However i used to only like really fast military fighters and i disliked any old plane, even spitfires, i dont know why.
After a while i realised that i really liked all the old planes and now i cant see why i ever disliked them. its odd.
However i have always disliked airliners, regarding them largely as flying buses, A320 Airbus it even admits to it! But as i could dislike great vintage planes once then i understand how you can actually like airliners but cant imagine myself liking them
I just dont see what the attraction is.
However i used to only like really fast military fighters and i disliked any old plane, even spitfires, i dont know why.
After a while i realised that i really liked all the old planes and now i cant see why i ever disliked them. its odd.
However i have always disliked airliners, regarding them largely as flying buses, A320 Airbus it even admits to it! But as i could dislike great vintage planes once then i understand how you can actually like airliners but cant imagine myself liking them
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T M, Yes we DO fly the big stuff at FL370 for 10 hours or so. Then get off and go and sit by the pool and have a beer or two. We do this for Money 
Then we buy a share in something fast,small and aerobatic and go and fly in a manner that would spill every G&T in first class.This we do for fun 
Later Dudes
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Then we buy a share in something fast,small and aerobatic and go and fly in a manner that would spill every G&T in first class.This we do for fun Later Dudes
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nohat, thanks for making my piont.You hit the nail on the head. But even then I STILL like flying airliners. (but maybe not for 10 hours on end, I don't know, haven't done it yet????)
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Frederic
Your not strange. Anybody who has flown a large jet transport knows that they ARE fun to fly. Not only that, but they require skill to do it with style. Try hacking a B767-300 round a low level circuit into a place like CFU, or doing a ferry flight. The performance would give a few older jet fighters a run for their money. I have made it to FL410 in just under 9 mins with 133 pax, out of LGW. It was in a B767-200 with the large C2 engines. Loadsafun PS That was using D2 takeoff and CLM 2.
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Your not strange. Anybody who has flown a large jet transport knows that they ARE fun to fly.
Not only that, but they require skill to do it with style. Try hacking a B767-300 round a low level circuit into a place like CFU, or doing a ferry flight. The performance would give a few older jet fighters a run for their money. I have made it to FL410 in just under 9 mins with 133 pax, out of LGW. It was in a B767-200 with the large C2 engines. Loadsafun PS That was using D2 takeoff and CLM 2.[This message has been edited by nohat (edited 15 April 2001).]
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Just had a go at one of those MS880 Morane 100HP I thought buying for some afterwork sessions. Well, featherlite but non-responsive ailerons, very hard pitch control and more than underpowered 
Didn't buy the lemon...
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... cut my wings and I'll die ...
Didn't buy the lemon...
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... cut my wings and I'll die ...
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Frederic, in answer to your query.
The B767-200 has a MTOM of 159,210kg. The APS works out to around 84,500kg. The pax plus fuel came to around 20,000kg, we were only going to Alc or somewhere similar.I think we were 54,700 under MTOM.
The Company reconfigure the cabin for 290,274 or 263 seats depending on demand.
The GE CF6-80C2B4F engine is rated @ 58,000lbs of thrust and is a FADEC engine. You're never performance limited, a real sports model. Unfortunately we only have two. All the other 767-200's have 80A's or 80A2's. On the day, ATC helped and gave us a continuous climb with an intruction to "expedite" I have no idea what the initial ROC was, because the VSI's only show up to 6000FPM. The needle spends a significant amount of time pegged to the stops. All derates are washed out by 12000FT. All this equals two grinning pilots. Speed control is fairly difficult, as is trying to level off at a low altitude like 4000FT. If you are not careful you can blow the flaps off as you go whistling through the flap schedule. This is compounded by the fact that we have a max pitch restriction of 20 Degs. In an engine out case with higher pitches and lots of power on the live engine, it rolls inverted fast and spoil's a nice day. I chatted to a ferry crew a few years back who had had an electrical problem and failed to notice that the derates had been cancelled. They gave themselves a shock as the A/C shot through the flap schedule as they rotated. Still it can make flying jet transports fun.
My pet hate aircraft is the B757. It's noisy in the Flt deck and it spills my coffee in turbulence. Not forgetting that above FL290, it climbs like a broken box and it's not a B767.
The B767-200 has a MTOM of 159,210kg. The APS works out to around 84,500kg. The pax plus fuel came to around 20,000kg, we were only going to Alc or somewhere similar.I think we were 54,700 under MTOM.
The Company reconfigure the cabin for 290,274 or 263 seats depending on demand.
The GE CF6-80C2B4F engine is rated @ 58,000lbs of thrust and is a FADEC engine. You're never performance limited, a real sports model. Unfortunately we only have two. All the other 767-200's have 80A's or 80A2's.
On the day, ATC helped and gave us a continuous climb with an intruction to "expedite" I have no idea what the initial ROC was, because the VSI's only show up to 6000FPM. The needle spends a significant amount of time pegged to the stops. All derates are washed out by 12000FT. All this equals two grinning pilots. Speed control is fairly difficult, as is trying to level off at a low altitude like 4000FT. If you are not careful you can blow the flaps off as you go whistling through the flap schedule. This is compounded by the fact that we have a max pitch restriction of 20 Degs. In an engine out case with higher pitches and lots of power on the live engine, it rolls inverted fast and spoil's a nice day. I chatted to a ferry crew a few years back who had had an electrical problem and failed to notice that the derates had been cancelled. They gave themselves a shock as the A/C shot through the flap schedule as they rotated. Still it can make flying jet transports fun.My pet hate aircraft is the B757. It's noisy in the Flt deck and it spills my coffee in turbulence. Not forgetting that above FL290, it climbs like a broken box and it's not a B767.
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For an aeroplane that's a complete bag of spanners you have to have tried to fly a BAe ATP.
How the beast was given a certficate Lord knows !
Isn't known as the Skoda for nothing !
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How the beast was given a certficate Lord knows !
Isn't known as the Skoda for nothing !
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Tipsy Nipper - looks like something made by Little Tikes that you'd get for the kids in Toys 'r' Us.
Tiger Moths come close - slow & ugly, don't understand the appeal really. Much preferred the Sopwith ones, but you don't see many about. I suppose it's a Hurricane / Spitfire thing.
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Tiger Moths come close - slow & ugly, don't understand the appeal really. Much preferred the Sopwith ones, but you don't see many about. I suppose it's a Hurricane / Spitfire thing.
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Grumman AA-1. Two standard weight adults, no baggage and the IFR range is less than half an hour.
I have little respect (as designed products) for Spam cans by Cessna, Piper, Grumman etc.
The Cardinal is OK but still uses 200 horses and CS prop and retractable undercarriage to do what a Jodel or Robin does on 160-180, fixed pith , fixed gear.
I have little respect (as designed products) for Spam cans by Cessna, Piper, Grumman etc.
The Cardinal is OK but still uses 200 horses and CS prop and retractable undercarriage to do what a Jodel or Robin does on 160-180, fixed pith , fixed gear.
