Airbus A300 Flight simulation
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Yesterday afternoon, as the story was unfolding, one of your (ITN) commentators was busy explaining to the viewers that the twin-engined A300 would prove impossible to control after an engine failure at high weight after take-off. He actually went through various degrees of difficulty before arriving at this grossly inaccurate conclusion......
Could this typify why we sometimes have difficulty liasing with media people?
Yesterday afternoon, as the story was unfolding, one of your (ITN) commentators was busy explaining to the viewers that the twin-engined A300 would prove impossible to control after an engine failure at high weight after take-off. He actually went through various degrees of difficulty before arriving at this grossly inaccurate conclusion......
Could this typify why we sometimes have difficulty liasing with media people?
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Thank you Birdsong, Cosmo Kramer, Moggie, Biggles Flies Undone (I seriously hopes he stays in the cockpit) and Buck Rogers. I'm following up the suggestions you have posted. much appreciated.
Boris - I work for Channel 5 News - another programme made by ITN. I didn't see the commentator you saw on ITV. It is always frustrating listening to others talking inaccurately about something you have expertise in.
Boris - I work for Channel 5 News - another programme made by ITN. I didn't see the commentator you saw on ITV. It is always frustrating listening to others talking inaccurately about something you have expertise in.
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I am moving this thread to the Questions forum where it should have gone in the first place. Also, can I please ask that we don't all take a leaf out of the tabloid journalists handbook and stop jumping to conclusions before we know what the questioner wants.
Yes, some journalists are highly irresponsible and others are the opposite. In this case, the person is asking as simple question in order to be able to gather more data in order, hopefully, to produce a report that is as accurate as possible. I find it astounding that some people are so quick to condemn all journalists and especially this one who I have known for some time just because they discovered that they had put their true job description in their profile.
How many times do we have to put up with speculation on here that is often very wrong and sometimes many times worse than the worst excesses of the tabloids and sensationalist 'experts'? At least we should know better being in the job.
So, please try to keep to the topic. As pointed out, the often repeated diatribes against journalists are not necessary on here. As long as the debate can remain reasonably civil and we do try to cultivate some proper links with the press in order that we can get them to take more care in their reporting then no problem. If anyone wants to go into a mouth foaming rant against them then may respectfully suggest that they do so at The Professional Journalists Rumour Network and we all have that group hug as suggested!
Yes, some journalists are highly irresponsible and others are the opposite. In this case, the person is asking as simple question in order to be able to gather more data in order, hopefully, to produce a report that is as accurate as possible. I find it astounding that some people are so quick to condemn all journalists and especially this one who I have known for some time just because they discovered that they had put their true job description in their profile.
How many times do we have to put up with speculation on here that is often very wrong and sometimes many times worse than the worst excesses of the tabloids and sensationalist 'experts'? At least we should know better being in the job.
So, please try to keep to the topic. As pointed out, the often repeated diatribes against journalists are not necessary on here. As long as the debate can remain reasonably civil and we do try to cultivate some proper links with the press in order that we can get them to take more care in their reporting then no problem. If anyone wants to go into a mouth foaming rant against them then may respectfully suggest that they do so at The Professional Journalists Rumour Network and we all have that group hug as suggested!
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Could I offer you an impartial steer?
Flying an airliner is a very technical and complex exercise, demanding very specific knowledge. I speak as a private pilot with several hundred hours in command of small aeroplanes.
Neither you nor I know enough to second guess the professional pilots by asking questions such as the one you asked - please don't take this as an attack - just a friendly observation
If you ask them a straight question, such as "what would the issues in controlling an Airbus which had lost both engines and how can I understand it better", you may get a better result: professional pilots have always been very helpful to me when they have understood what I needed to know and why.
I am guessing that you have good journalistic skills - if you can solicit the detailled information that this forum can provide and then precis it professionally, you would be doing everyone a favour: I am only a PPL, but I wince too when hearing some of the "experts" speculating in the media, which is obviously cr@p, even to a rank amateur like me.
Best wishes F3G
Could I offer you an impartial steer?
Flying an airliner is a very technical and complex exercise, demanding very specific knowledge. I speak as a private pilot with several hundred hours in command of small aeroplanes.
Neither you nor I know enough to second guess the professional pilots by asking questions such as the one you asked - please don't take this as an attack - just a friendly observation
If you ask them a straight question, such as "what would the issues in controlling an Airbus which had lost both engines and how can I understand it better", you may get a better result: professional pilots have always been very helpful to me when they have understood what I needed to know and why.
I am guessing that you have good journalistic skills - if you can solicit the detailled information that this forum can provide and then precis it professionally, you would be doing everyone a favour: I am only a PPL, but I wince too when hearing some of the "experts" speculating in the media, which is obviously cr@p, even to a rank amateur like me.
Best wishes F3G
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Seems we might just be coming to the end of this thread. But before we do I support two people who have made significant posts. One is Captain Airclues, the other is Danny. Both posts are at either end of the purpose of this thread.
Captain Airclues, a Senior Training Captain on the B747-400, states quite clearly that there would a VERY difficult situation for the pilot to deal with in the event of an ENGINE SEPERATION, which this was - as opposed to an engine shut-down or malfunction. Any other speculation or explanation is irrelevant unless you are an NTSB inspector. But the resultant problem was, for the Captain of the A300, clearly manifestly horrendus. An almost impossible situation, since the aircraft systems failures would give him only a few seconds to deal with it. Just NOT enough time.
At the other end we have Danny reminding everyone to give up on speculation. Why? Because it is this which makes the likes of LATEST have a problem. What and who do they believe. The FACT of the matter is not ONE of us on here know what happened. That's it!
We can arrive at a conclusion, but is our own, and since it serves NO purpose to anyone but yourself it should be kept to yourself. I have views, you have views, but after reading a an article in one of the tabloids today, I saw for the first time a so-called knowledgable aviation journalist make a fool of himself because he stated that "all pilots were trained to fly on one engine"!
That in itself is true, we are, but if one seperates itself from the aircraft that is a different story that he was unable to relate to because of lack of knowledge, and obviously made the rest up. To see that is rather upsetting as a matter of fact!
As Captain Airclues says, and as some of us have said on here many times. If the press want a view without pressing for "what do you think went wrong?" then they are welcome. Otherwise don't bother. Ask the NTSB or ask the AAIB at the CAA. They will give you the same answer.
Sorry, but that is the way it SHOULD be. Guesswork has no place in aviation, from the classroom to the flight deck.
Captain Airclues, a Senior Training Captain on the B747-400, states quite clearly that there would a VERY difficult situation for the pilot to deal with in the event of an ENGINE SEPERATION, which this was - as opposed to an engine shut-down or malfunction. Any other speculation or explanation is irrelevant unless you are an NTSB inspector. But the resultant problem was, for the Captain of the A300, clearly manifestly horrendus. An almost impossible situation, since the aircraft systems failures would give him only a few seconds to deal with it. Just NOT enough time.
At the other end we have Danny reminding everyone to give up on speculation. Why? Because it is this which makes the likes of LATEST have a problem. What and who do they believe. The FACT of the matter is not ONE of us on here know what happened. That's it!
We can arrive at a conclusion, but is our own, and since it serves NO purpose to anyone but yourself it should be kept to yourself. I have views, you have views, but after reading a an article in one of the tabloids today, I saw for the first time a so-called knowledgable aviation journalist make a fool of himself because he stated that "all pilots were trained to fly on one engine"!
That in itself is true, we are, but if one seperates itself from the aircraft that is a different story that he was unable to relate to because of lack of knowledge, and obviously made the rest up. To see that is rather upsetting as a matter of fact!
As Captain Airclues says, and as some of us have said on here many times. If the press want a view without pressing for "what do you think went wrong?" then they are welcome. Otherwise don't bother. Ask the NTSB or ask the AAIB at the CAA. They will give you the same answer.
Sorry, but that is the way it SHOULD be. Guesswork has no place in aviation, from the classroom to the flight deck.
