PC based FMC training program?
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PC based FMC training program?
I am a current 737-300 skipper with a UK airline and often get asked to help friends learn how to use the FMC either before, or during, training on members of the Boeing family. I have seen various PC based programs to facilitate this but never been able to get a copy for home use. Has anyone seen such s/w and even better point me in the direction of obtaining it?
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Hi V/S
You might like to look at the "767 Pilot in Command" add on for FS 2000. (Dont laugh)
Apart from being a suberb sim of the 767. (I fly the 75/76) It has a fully functional and interfaced FMS. Programming it is a bit of a point and click exercise, but apart from that it is superb. Also it only costs £30.
You might like to look at the "767 Pilot in Command" add on for FS 2000. (Dont laugh)
Apart from being a suberb sim of the 767. (I fly the 75/76) It has a fully functional and interfaced FMS. Programming it is a bit of a point and click exercise, but apart from that it is superb. Also it only costs £30.
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From: Ballwin MO USA
Hello,
Operate ( Museum Piece Custodian depending on which way you look at it ) a Fokker F-27, 60's vintage and as you can imagine, crammed with the latest digital wizardry. So in order that I might reduce some of the additional stress of having to learn avionics such as the FMS in a groundschool doubtlessly filled with young RJ jocks, I looke long and hard for the software you mention and by far the best I found was an FMC/PFD simulator, Airbus or Boeing stand-alone or in conjunction with Flight-Sim 2000 ( The program uses the FS-2000 nav database )
It may be found at: www.schiratti.com
Hope this helps.
Operate ( Museum Piece Custodian depending on which way you look at it ) a Fokker F-27, 60's vintage and as you can imagine, crammed with the latest digital wizardry. So in order that I might reduce some of the additional stress of having to learn avionics such as the FMS in a groundschool doubtlessly filled with young RJ jocks, I looke long and hard for the software you mention and by far the best I found was an FMC/PFD simulator, Airbus or Boeing stand-alone or in conjunction with Flight-Sim 2000 ( The program uses the FS-2000 nav database )
It may be found at: www.schiratti.com
Hope this helps.
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Bally Heck,
Given that you fly the actual 75/76, how do you compare the PIC 767 with the real plane / or the real sim ? I.E. the handling / roll / sink ... etc ?
I have the program, am curious what someone who has flown the real plane thinks.
As far as the FMS/FMC, I bought the Big Boeing FMC users guide.
Seems like about 90% of it can be applied to the PIC 767 FMC.
Mike
Given that you fly the actual 75/76, how do you compare the PIC 767 with the real plane / or the real sim ? I.E. the handling / roll / sink ... etc ?
I have the program, am curious what someone who has flown the real plane thinks.
As far as the FMS/FMC, I bought the Big Boeing FMC users guide.
Seems like about 90% of it can be applied to the PIC 767 FMC.
Mike
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Mike
I haven't "test flown" the sim regarding precise handling but it all seems to be in the right frame. There is a patch available at the maker's website which will enable the fix page on the FMC and also improves the autoland and a few other bits and pieces. I intend to give it a good work out prior to my next base check.
It is an impressive bit of kit and I can't fault it within the obvious limitations of being a PC based sim. Much better that the basic aircraft which comew with FS 2000.
I haven't "test flown" the sim regarding precise handling but it all seems to be in the right frame. There is a patch available at the maker's website which will enable the fix page on the FMC and also improves the autoland and a few other bits and pieces. I intend to give it a good work out prior to my next base check.
It is an impressive bit of kit and I can't fault it within the obvious limitations of being a PC based sim. Much better that the basic aircraft which comew with FS 2000.
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Bally,
Ya, it seems to *feel* like a 150 ton aircraft would , I would imagine.
Most of the default aircraft in FS 20000 are not very accurate, especially widely sensitive in pitch. A lot of third party aircraft seem to be much better. Don't know why MS couldn't get it right.
If you're interested there is quite an active forum on http://www.avsim.com for the PIC 767. (Unless you're alerady there under another name
Some actual 767 pilots, including of course Eric Ernst who is a member of the dev team.
Mike
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Ya, it seems to *feel* like a 150 ton aircraft would , I would imagine.
Most of the default aircraft in FS 20000 are not very accurate, especially widely sensitive in pitch. A lot of third party aircraft seem to be much better. Don't know why MS couldn't get it right.
If you're interested there is quite an active forum on http://www.avsim.com for the PIC 767. (Unless you're alerady there under another name
Some actual 767 pilots, including of course Eric Ernst who is a member of the dev team.Mike
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Hello,
Yes, at the Home-page click on the Avionics suite picture of your choice, a description page will appear then choose the ' Buy It Now ' option and you will be presented with a price list of everything they have to offer including shipping information, the demo is a free loss-leader to see if you want to order, see the page above at: http://schiratti.com/order/
Hope this helps.
Yes, at the Home-page click on the Avionics suite picture of your choice, a description page will appear then choose the ' Buy It Now ' option and you will be presented with a price list of everything they have to offer including shipping information, the demo is a free loss-leader to see if you want to order, see the page above at: http://schiratti.com/order/
Hope this helps.
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Thanks everyone for your valuable inputs- I now have a lot of stuff to follow up! I note that most of the suggested s/w is used in addition to FS98/2000-- are there any standalone programs JUST to teach the Boeing FMC?? I've seen a Boeing FS system that uses a dual screen setup on a Win NT platform- one screen gives the flight status in plan and elevation whilst the other screen gives the FMC CDU and certain flight instruments.
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VS,
Heres a link you may find of interest.
http://www.vega.co.uk/VEGA/Markets/aviationFS.htm
follow it on to the FMS trainers section.
Cheers,
JT8
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Heres a link you may find of interest.
http://www.vega.co.uk/VEGA/Markets/aviationFS.htm
follow it on to the FMS trainers section.
Cheers,
JT8
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From: Ballwin MO USA
As stated, the FMS sim available through www.schiratti.com
Is stand alone although limited, the reason for this is to keep the cost to the customer down by not obtaining and licensing their own worldwide nav database. Full use of their FMS and CDU/PFD Is through the use of the nav database available through FlightSim 2000.
You can find EXACTLY what you are looking for at: www.wicat.com
However you will have to apply for a license to operate their proprietary software as they obviously make their money by offering the training that you in fact are looking to provide as a favour.
My recommendation? Steal a copy of whatever software your outfit has available or make do with the FMS clones available through FlightSim 2000 or spend a monstrous amount of money.
Hope this helps.
( Fly? Me? As little as possible and then only und duress and for a substantially large amount of green ! )
Is stand alone although limited, the reason for this is to keep the cost to the customer down by not obtaining and licensing their own worldwide nav database. Full use of their FMS and CDU/PFD Is through the use of the nav database available through FlightSim 2000.
You can find EXACTLY what you are looking for at: www.wicat.com
However you will have to apply for a license to operate their proprietary software as they obviously make their money by offering the training that you in fact are looking to provide as a favour.
My recommendation? Steal a copy of whatever software your outfit has available or make do with the FMS clones available through FlightSim 2000 or spend a monstrous amount of money.
Hope this helps.
( Fly? Me? As little as possible and then only und duress and for a substantially large amount of green ! )
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From: Ballwin MO USA
Hello, update to the above,
I have found another software developer dabbling in the elusive FMS,
Aerowinx at www.aerowinx.com
It is a 74-400 series based FMS trainer and is available in the U.S. from: www.flightsimcentral.com/74precsim.html
I understand this software is also being supplied in the U.K. through the Transair Pilot Supply Shop: www.transair.co.uk
That's all she wrote, I'm leaving eye-prints on my monitor and am beginning to seriously consider the horrific fact that other than 400 hours a year in the Foxtrot-27 I have absolutely no life whatsoever!!!
Hope all this will work for ya.
Later.
I have found another software developer dabbling in the elusive FMS,
Aerowinx at www.aerowinx.com
It is a 74-400 series based FMS trainer and is available in the U.S. from: www.flightsimcentral.com/74precsim.html
I understand this software is also being supplied in the U.K. through the Transair Pilot Supply Shop: www.transair.co.uk
That's all she wrote, I'm leaving eye-prints on my monitor and am beginning to seriously consider the horrific fact that other than 400 hours a year in the Foxtrot-27 I have absolutely no life whatsoever!!!
Hope all this will work for ya.
Later.
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Try this site. This is the setup we use for our 737NG FMS training.
http://www.aerosim.com/fmst.htm
Cheers
http://www.aerosim.com/fmst.htm
Cheers
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I believe that the Precision Simulator version PS1.3a from Hardy Heinlin at the following website is the most accurate FMC and simulation of a 'heavy' in the industry.
It may cost alot more than the others but it is the only one that is within 4-5% of the real thing.
The site is: www.aerowinx.com
Regards,
It may cost alot more than the others but it is the only one that is within 4-5% of the real thing.
The site is: www.aerowinx.com
Regards,
